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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: Cant install gentoo: The root block device is unspecified... Reply with quote

Hi folks, ( I also posted this on the AMD64 forum )

A lot of frustration, here it goes:

Hardware: 2 x AMD64 AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 246, AMD 8111 Chipset
2 Gigs of RAM
2 x Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet
Silicon Image Raid Controller
SATA Maxtor 7Y250M0 250Gb
SATA Seagate ST380817AS 80Gb
Rhapsody Mainboard

I am trying to install gentoo 2005.1 universal amd64 from a USB CD-ROM:

Vendor: TEAC Model: CD-232E Rev: 1.0A
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02

since we have a cluster and thats the only available medium besides floppy.
The bootup process loads the modules and then goes into a mode that is
looking for the CDROM:

Attempting to mount CD: - /dev/sda1
....... it searches through sda1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, sdb, sdb1
!!Could not find CD to boot, something else needed!

Then it asks for keybord type, and then it spits the final error message:

Determining root device.....
!!The root block device is unspecified or not detected
Please specify a device to boot, or "shell" for a shell.....


I have tried everything, I tried a different USB CD-ROM, it does not work either,
and it is not a hardware fault. I can install Scientific Linux 4.0 with no problems.
The gentoo live CD fails though to detect corectly the CD-ROM and mount it.

If I create the device file myself : mknod /dev/scd0 b 11 0
and them mount the CDROM to some directory I can see it fine, no problem.
The problem that I have is that the init script of gentoo does not create the
/dev/scd0, and it only scans the sda and sdb which are the 2 sata hard drives.

After mknod scd0 I go to the boot prompt again and specify scd0 as the root
block device, but then I get a kernel panick, something about not being able to write something, anyways.

I wonder, who is responsible for creating the device nodes ? udev ? Is it messing up finding the
USB CD-ROM ? Why isnt the init script probing for a scd0 device ? Should I built my own live CD ?

Any help is greaty apprecieated,
Felix

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Here is my /proc/cmdline
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initrd=gentoo.igz root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc looptype=squashfs loop=/livecd.squashfs udev nodevfs dokeymap cdroot vga=791 splash=silent,theme:livecd-2005.1 CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 quiet BOOT_IMAGE=gentoo

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Here is my /proc/version
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Linux version 2.6.12-gentoo-r6 (root@poseidon) (gcc version 3.4.3 20041125 (Gentoo 3.4.3-r1, ssp-3.4.3-0, pie-8.7.7)) #1 SMP Mon Aug 1 14:22:17 UTC 2005


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Here is my /proc/scsi/scsi
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Attached devices:
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
Vendor: ATA Model: ST380817AS Rev: 3.42
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05
Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
Vendor: ATA Model: Maxtor 7Y250M0 Rev: YAR5
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05
Host: scsi4 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
Vendor: TEAC Model: CD-232E Rev: 1.0A
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Host: scsi5 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
Vendor: SanDisk Model: Cruzer Micro Rev: 0.4
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02


(The memory stick SanDisk Cruze micro is used for dumping all the messages
that I get, and of course I have tried to boot withou it, problem persists.
By the way, I also have to mknod for the stick, it does not happen automatically)

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Here is my lsmod:
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Module Size Used by Not tainted
dm_mod 39264 0 - Live 0xffffffff88096000
ata_piix 7812 0 - Live 0xffffffff88093000
ahci 9348 0 - Live 0xffffffff8808f000
sata_qstor 8068 0 - Live 0xffffffff8808c000
sata_vsc 6788 0 - Live 0xffffffff88089000
sata_uli 6144 0 - Live 0xffffffff88086000
sata_sis 5888 0 - Live 0xffffffff88083000
sata_sx4 11396 0 - Live 0xffffffff8807f000
sata_nv 7556 0 - Live 0xffffffff8807c000
sata_via 7172 0 - Live 0xffffffff88079000
sata_svw 6404 0 - Live 0xffffffff88076000
sata_sil 7940 0 - Live 0xffffffff88073000
sata_promise 9092 0 - Live 0xffffffff8806f000
libata 30856 12 ata_piix,ahci,sata_qstor,sata_vsc,sata_uli,sata_sis,sata_sx4,sata_nv,sata_via,sata_svw,sata_sil,sata_promise, Live 0xffffffff88066000
sbp2 19080 0 - Live 0xffffffff88060000
ohci1394 27596 0 - Live 0xffffffff88058000
ieee1394 63096 2 sbp2,ohci1394, Live 0xffffffff88047000
sl811_hcd 11392 0 - Live 0xffffffff88043000
ohci_hcd 17156 0 - Live 0xffffffff8803d000
uhci_hcd 26528 0 - Live 0xffffffff88035000
usb_storage 55616 1 - Live 0xffffffff88026000
usbhid 27680 0 - Live 0xffffffff8801e000
ehci_hcd 25864 0 - Live 0xffffffff88016000
usbcore 86008 7 sl811_hcd,ohci_hcd,uhci_hcd,usb_storage,usbhid,ehci_hcd, Live 0xffffffff88000000

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And finally here is my dmesg:
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ready failed before probe !
Probing IDE interface ide5...
ide5: Wait for ready failed before probe !
ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide
usbcore: registered new driver hiddev
usbcore: registered new driver usbhid
drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver
mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0
input: ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1
md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27
NET: Registered protocol family 2
IP: routing cache hash table of 2048 buckets, 112Kbytes
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 524288 bind 37449)
Initializing IPsec netlink socket
NET: Registered protocol family 1
NET: Registered protocol family 17
powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.00.09b)
powernow-k8: BIOS error - no PSB
ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S4 S5)
ACPI wakeup devices:
TP2P USB0 USB1 G0PA LAN0 LAN1 G0PB
md: Autodetecting RAID arrays.
md: autorun ...
md: ... autorun DONE.
RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
vga16fb: initializing
vga16fb: mapped to 0x00000100000a0000
Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
fb0: VGA16 VGA frame buffer device
loop: loaded (max 8 devices)
inserting floppy driver for 2.6.9-5.0.5.EL
Using cfq io scheduler
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306
BIOS EDD facility v0.16 2004-Jun-25, 2 devices found
SCSI subsystem initialized
ohci_hcd: 2004 Feb 02 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI)
ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:00.0[D] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 169
ohci_hcd 0000:01:00.0: OHCI Host Controller
ohci_hcd 0000:01:00.0: irq 169, pci mem ffffff0000046000
ohci_hcd 0000:01:00.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 1-0:1.0: 3 ports detected
ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:00.1[D] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 169
ohci_hcd 0000:01:00.1: OHCI Host Controller
ohci_hcd 0000:01:00.1: irq 169, pci mem ffffff0000048000
ohci_hcd 0000:01:00.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 2-0:1.0: 3 ports detected
hub 2-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 2. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
hub 2-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 2. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 4
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
Vendor: TEAC Model: CD-232E Rev: 1.0A
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
USB Mass Storage device found at 4
usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
USB Mass Storage support registered.
tg3.c:v3.10 (September 14, 2004)
ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:03.0[A] -> GSI 27 (level, low) -> IRQ 185
divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0
eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95702A20) rev 1002 PHY(5703)] (PCI:66MHz:32-bit) 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet 00:50:45:5c:ae:24
eth0: RXcsums[1] LinkChgREG[0] MIirq[0] ASF[0] Split[0] WireSpeed[1] TSOcap[1]
ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:04.0[A] -> GSI 27 (level, low) -> IRQ 185
divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1
eth1: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95702A20) rev 1002 PHY(5703)] (PCI:66MHz:32-bit) 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet 00:50:45:5c:ae:25
eth1: RXcsums[1] LinkChgREG[0] MIirq[0] ASF[0] Split[0] WireSpeed[1] TSOcap[1]
libata version 1.02 loaded.
sata_sil version 0.54
ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:05.0[A] -> GSI 25 (level, low) -> IRQ 193
ata1: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xFFFFFF000004A080 ctl 0xFFFFFF000004A08A bmdma 0xFFFFFF000004A000 irq 193
ata2: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xFFFFFF000004A0C0 ctl 0xFFFFFF000004A0CA bmdma 0xFFFFFF000004A008 irq 193
ata3: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xFFFFFF000004A280 ctl 0xFFFFFF000004A28A bmdma 0xFFFFFF000004A200 irq 193
ata4: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xFFFFFF000004A2C0 ctl 0xFFFFFF000004A2CA bmdma 0xFFFFFF000004A208 irq 193
ata1: dev 0 cfg 49:2f00 82:346b 83:7d01 84:4003 85:3469 86:3c01 87:4003 88:207f
ata1: dev 0 ATA, max UDMA/133, 156301488 sectors: lba48
ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/100
scsi1 : sata_sil
ata2: dev 0 cfg 49:2f00 82:7c6b 83:7f09 84:4003 85:7c69 86:3e01 87:4003 88:207f
ata2: dev 0 ATA, max UDMA/133, 490234752 sectors: lba48
ata2: dev 0 configured for UDMA/100
scsi2 : sata_sil
ata3: no device found (phy stat 00000000)
scsi3 : sata_sil
ata4: no device found (phy stat 00000000)
scsi4 : sata_sil
Vendor: ATA Model: ST380817AS Rev: 3.42
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05
SCSI device sda: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB)
SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 sda9 sda10 >
Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Vendor: ATA Model: Maxtor 7Y250M0 Rev: YAR5
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05
SCSI device sdb: 490234752 512-byte hdwr sectors (251000 MB)
SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back
sdb: sdb1
Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
Unable to load NLS charset utf8
Unable to load NLS charset utf8
ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
VFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev loop0.
attempt to access beyond end of device
loop7: rw=0, want=134, limit=132
isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=loop7, iso_blknum=33, block=66
security: 3 users, 4 roles, 316 types, 20 bools
security: 53 classes, 9815 rules
SELinux: Completing initialization.
SELinux: Setting up existing superblocks.
SELinux: initialized (dev loop0, type cramfs), uses genfs_contexts
SELinux: initialized (dev usbfs, type usbfs), uses genfs_contexts
SELinux: initialized (dev usbdevfs, type usbdevfs), uses genfs_contexts
SELinux: initialized (dev ramfs, type ramfs), uses genfs_contexts
SELinux: initialized (dev ramfs, type ramfs), uses genfs_contexts
SELinux: initialized (dev ram0, type ext2), uses xattr
inode_doinit_with_dentry: no dentry for dev=ram0 ino=13
SELinux: initialized (dev selinuxfs, type selinuxfs), uses genfs_contexts
SELinux: initialized (dev mqueue, type mqueue), not configured for labeling
SELinux: initialized (dev hugetlbfs, type hugetlbfs), not configured for labeling
SELinux: initialized (dev devpts, type devpts), uses transition SIDs
SELinux: initialized (dev eventpollfs, type eventpollfs), uses genfs_contexts
SELinux: initialized (dev pipefs, type pipefs), uses task SIDs
SELinux: initialized (dev tmpfs, type tmpfs), uses transition SIDs
SELinux: initialized (dev futexfs, type futexfs), uses genfs_contexts
SELinux: initialized (dev sockfs, type sockfs), uses task SIDs
SELinux: initialized (dev proc, type proc), uses genfs_contexts
SELinux: initialized (dev bdev, type bdev), uses genfs_contexts
SELinux: initialized (dev rootfs, type rootfs), uses genfs_contexts
SELinux: initialized (dev sysfs, type sysfs), uses genfs_contexts
md: raid0 personality registered as nr 2
md: raid1 personality registered as nr 3
raid5: automatically using best checksumming function: generic_sse
generic_sse: 6104.000 MB/sec
raid5: using function: generic_sse (6104.000 MB/sec)
md: raid5 personality registered as nr 4
raid6: int64x1 1867 MB/s
raid6: int64x2 2457 MB/s
raid6: int64x4 2429 MB/s
raid6: int64x8 1710 MB/s
raid6: sse2x1 2484 MB/s
raid6: sse2x2 3339 MB/s
raid6: sse2x4 3687 MB/s
raid6: using algorithm sse2x4 (3687 MB/s)
md: raid6 personality registered as nr 8
device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: dm@uk.sistina.com
program anaconda is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO
program anaconda is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Start from Knoppix.
Boot up the Knoppix LiveCD, and do the install from there, just following the Handbook.
You don't need a Gentoo LiveCD, any LiveCD will do.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:29 am    Post subject: I tried that already Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply.
I tried that already. Knoppix 3.9 fails to boot too with the error:
Can't find KNOPPIX filesystem, sorry!
But Remember, Scientific Linux installs just fine, the same with SUSE 9.3, so...the
problem is not with the hardware but with the live cds.

But in any case, using Knoppix is not a satisfactory answer. I think I have provided enough information
so that we can track down the problem. Obviously there is a configuration problem, probably with the
init script, perhaps with udev, I dont know. Perhaps the fact that I have 2 serial drives ?

Please keep the suggestions coming!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then install whatever does boot, and morph that into Gentoo.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:41 pm    Post subject: ok, let me rephrase Reply with quote

thanks,

could you at least speculate on what part of the boot process is failing ?
If I knew that I could create my own liveCD with the correct configuration.

Here is the reason why I am interested to know how to boot from the cd rom correctly:
after I have a nicely configured gentoo system with everything that is needed for the
machine to act like a server for a specific application that we are using, I would like to create
a clone of the machine and clone it to the the rest of the cluster. So it is important to know
what part of the boot is failing and why.

I just cannot afford to replicate the process of morphing gentoo from sule 9.3 for 50 machines...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...which is silly, of course - you never need to do that.
You seem to be confusing a bootable Gentoo LiveCD with a functional Gentoo system.
They are most definitely not the same - not even comparable.

It does not matter how you get to a functional Gentoo system - from that point on, it's yours to do with as you please.

And yes, you can build your own LiveCD, with anything on it that you need - a DVD even, with a functional, running image.

Search for the "catalyst" build tool, and a "Stage4" install (which is basically the same as cloning).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me add some background motivation to the problem we are having. It's true that we don't need the gentoo liveCD to do our installing or cloning. In fact, we won't be doing that anyway. We have a customized rescue CD that contains the scripts necessary to do an automated cloning on our cluster, but it suffers from very similar problems -- it can't find the cdrom on these systems at startup.

We are hoping to understand why this problem is happening so that we can a) do a stock gentoo install using a consistent installer and b) fix our rescue CD so it can be adapted to use replications of the gentoo installation.

This is why simply finding a suitable livecd (gentoo, knoppix, or otherwise) isn't a 100% satisfactory solution -- UNLESS doing so allows us to discover the reason the problem is occurring. We just want to avoid that trial-and-error process....
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might be simpler to just stick normal IDE cdrom drives into those machines - and/or beat the supplier senseless for not doing that in the first place.

The second would be my favourite, since many distributors really do not have $CLUE.

All of this stems from not booting from an IDE cdrom drive.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would agree with the IDE solution, but I don't see it happening. We aren't going to order 50 or so IDE cdroms, crack open the boxes to install them.

And certainly I don't think we will order any more machines w/o IDE drives, given this experience.

The thing is, we have had enormous success with this approach on our existing set of dual p4 xeon servers, which is why we didn't think twice about the cdrom issue.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am getting this exact same issue and it is very frustrating.

I also have tried knoppix with poor luck, it gets upset when I swap the cds out by force, and I don't have any luck with loading knoppix to ramdisk for whatever reason.

adaptr: It's nice of you to contribute and try to help I guess, but you're really just giving a bunch of hacks instead of actual answers, and most of them aren't even sensible ones (why would I install a completely different distro to then install gentoo? Give me a break)

quantumecho: This is certainly not just you. Have you tried other versions of the livecd? I will let you know if I make any headway..

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: 2005.0 has the same problem Reply with quote

Yes, we also tried the 2005.0 universal-amd64 but the problem persists.
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Can your systems boot from the network?
Perhaps an pxe boot install is an option then: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml#doc_chap5
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

quarkonium,

Mounting the root filesystem off USB is always a pain. Nomally, USB isn't initialised until well after root is mounted.
Thats a problem if you need USB to mount root in the first place.

You could try rootdelay=<secs> on the kernel command line. This will allow USB to be up before the kernel goes looking for root.

Boot the liveCD and at the grub screen press e and edit the kernel line, press b to boot when you are done.
You need to determine <secs> by trial and error, or timing a boot to see whn it gets to starting USB.

I have no idea if the liveCD kernel supports this kernel param.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A thread about installing from a usb cdrom in case you hadn't found it yet:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-369937-highlight-boot+cdrom+usb.html
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:23 pm    Post subject: Problem Solved! Reply with quote

Thank you guys for taking time to send replies and web links addressing the problem.

Indeed the slow USB is the root of the problem. Gordon Innes, I believe, is the first
who came up with a solution:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83276#c30


Thanks to the moderator nixnut for posting the link that led to the solution.
We downloaded and booted with the LiveCd found here:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83276#c50
from Chris Gianelloni and it worked immediately.

Thanks to NeddySeagoon for also pointing to the right direction,
and to adaptr for the nasty hacks he proposed.

Problem solved.
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Moved from Installing Gentoo to Duplicate Threads.
See here: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-369937.html
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