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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never said they ask money for CUPS etc, I said they use a lot of open source tools in OSX and they sell that like their own work, I don't say it is not legal, of course it is, but i don't appreciate the behavior. But that right, OSX is very user-friendly, it's beautifull etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it twice-the-price beautiful? cos Macs ain't cheeep......
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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is it twice-the-price beautiful? cos Macs ain't cheeep......

Well, it depends. Here in Portugal, iBooks are the cheapest 12'' notebooks you can find, and they cost about €300 less than any 12'' PC notebook.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that is very interesting, why all the money grabbing in England then I wonder. Maybe they just think there are lots of stupid people here willing to spend more than they should, guess that's why most of the country is in debt!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sodki wrote:
humbletech99 wrote:
is it twice-the-price beautiful? cos Macs ain't cheeep......

Well, it depends. Here in Portugal, iBooks are the cheapest 12'' notebooks you can find, and they cost about €300 less than any 12'' PC notebook.

That macs are oh-so-expensive is an often-heard argument, but personally, I think it's not true if you take everything in consideration. I also own a 12" iBook. If you compare it with other laptops, then don't just compare the price and the Mhz, but also compare the quality, things like weight, battery life, noise and heat generation, (world-wide) customer service,... And "twice-the-price"? The low-range models, like the 12" iBook are not that expensive.... If you're referring to a 17" PowerBook, yeah, that's rather expensive for a laptop, but go find a high-range IBM laptop and see how expensive that is... I think you'll notice the difference is not that big as some people would like you to believe.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we know, it's always exagerated a little bit...

but it's true that Macs aren't cheap, they're good quality and style, no doubt.

It's a shame that the proprietary stuff gets in the way, architecture, closed source and limited applications compared to Windows etc...

if it was open source, I'd probably run it!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: why are you installing gentoo on Mac? Reply with quote

pau wrote:
In my case it's just a question of ethic (I don't like any closed system) and language support... My mother tongue is Catalan and Apple is not supporting it, although we're about 11 million speakers, they decided not to include Catalan in their OSX and, even though I can manage more or less in English (as you see) and in other languages, I kind of stick to Catalan... They're supporting Norwegian or other languages spoken by less than three million people (like Danish) because... well "it's the money, idiot, it's the money!" :) And I don't like it


Well, first of all, you are proficient and fluent in Spanish. You maybe ashamed of it, because you just ignored that fact, but that's how things are.

Secondly, it just isn't true 11 million people speak Catalan. Catalonia has a population around 7 milion people. But I'd dare say that at most, and being really generous, only 40% of them have Catalan as their mother tongue, so it gives a value around 2.8 million native speakers.

On the other hand, if you've just included Valencia and Baleares as regions where they speak Catalan, it is just completely false. Valencians have two languages: Valencian and Spanish, whilst balearians speak Balearian and Spanish. Valencian and Balearian are close to Catalan, sure, but they're not Catalan, in much the same way as Portuguese is not Spanish.
However, let's accept Valencian and Balearian speakers spoke Catalan. The population of Valencia is around 4.7 million people, whilst Baleares has around 1 million inhabitants. Let's suppose that 25% of their populations are not native Spanish speakers (again, being extremely generous). That gives around 1.4 million people. If they really spoke Catalan (which they don't), it would raise the figure of native Catalan speakers to around 4.2 million people.

But not only that. More interesting is the fact that, regardless of how many they are, more that 95% of them are proficient and fluent in Spanish, as I said, so I don't think you really wiped out Mac OS X because of the language factor. Unless you were really paranoic and stubborn about your nationalism, of course. So, why would Apple bother to translate the OS to a language spoke by very few people that are also fluent in Spanish, which is spoken by more that 400 million people?

Now to your question. I wiped out OS X on my old G4 400 MHz because I just turned it into a server, as it is almost useless nowadays for more serious stuff. Speaking of which, I also use Mac OS X Server in my other PPC box. As you know, OS X Server is not translated into Spanish, but that does not prevent me from using it. I'm very happy with English, because languages are nothing more that a way of communicating with others, not a political vindication. I'm not that stubborn as to refuse something or someone because it is not written in or (s)he does not speak my mother tongue. It just isn't worth it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, why would Apple bother to translate the OS to a language spoke by very few people that are also fluent in Spanish, which is spoken by more that 400 million people?


Hey, that's a good argument!

I'm going to start learning Chinese right now!

BTW you're horrible at accounting:

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"It is spoken or understood by as many as 12 million people who live not only in Andorra and Spain, but also in parts of France and Italy."


From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language)

I forgot to mention that I come from València. Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know Catalan people speak something different... Why did they understand me perfectly and even didn't notice I'm from València everytime I was in Catalonia is now a terrible unknown that haunts my dreams.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Final remarks Reply with quote

And now something different:

I posted a new topic in this forum because I was messed.
I got a powerbook 12", I desperately tried to figure out why people are so fond of MacOSX, I gave up, I tried to use linux on it. Some things were not working. I resorted to fink and tried to have a normal operating system with which I could work. I gave up. I gave the powerbook back. I got a fujitsu siemens lifebook P. I installed linux on it. LIFE IS WONDERFUL AGAIN

1- MacOSx sucks (oh my, how it sucks!)
2- "power"book are outrageously slow
3- apple hardware is a synonim of technical glitch

thanks!

bye
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: OS X isn't great on OldWorld hardware... Reply with quote

McCall wrote:
I use Gentoo on a beige PowerMac G3/266MHz with 512Mb RAM. Although large compilations such as KDE 3.3 take a long time (around about 6 days IIRC!), once they are installed it makes the machine usable again. The same isn't strictly true for OS X.

My 2c.


I completely agree Gentoo is awesome at reviving once thought dead macs. I have three of these beigeG3s two of which run debian (I find debian the best linux server OS for these machines mainly because updates don't take three and a half days). The other runs Gentoo and is more of desktop box (it runs gaim all day and night and it surfs just fine, but like I said recompiles can take the better part of a week). I too have been trying to keep a Mac OS on this machine to no avail (it seems to corrupt hard drives in a month or so under 10.3 or 10.4 with xpostfacto. The only reason I would put OSX on this machine would be for iTunes and use the mac as a piece of stereo equipment. However, I am a big fan of mac os X for many other things. In the house I also have a x86 AMDsempron2200 tower which also runs gentoo and a titanium powerbook. The tiBook runs Mac OS X exclusively so I can use Final Cut Pro and Photoshop and Cubase and all the other proffessional creative apps, also iSync Mail and the other default apps are awesome not to mention iTunes once again. Sure there are alternatives to these in linux, and that's exactly why I have the sempron tower so I can play with the linux toys as well. But lot's of things in linux seem half finished, and why oh why won't apple release an iTunes for linux. A large portion of the audio apps don't even work and the ones that do still don't stack up to the commercial solutions. Now I'm all about community supported software (open source), but there are a few bastions of quality commercial software left and they mainly lie in the creative proffesional field. I would love to contribute more code myself, but where does the time go? Anyhow I love both Gentoo and OS X, and there is not a single M$ windowsbox in my house (though I do run wine on the sempron), but the best solution is to have multiple boxes each with the OS that best suits their purpose on them because dual booting is for window shoppers I'm here to do business.


Edit : Oh ya don't forget portage can run in OS X
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way: After I installed a DVD drive, I noticed that OSX isn't able to play a DVD smoothly with the 600Mhz G3. I tried mplayer for OSX and also VLC.
The best result on linux I get with xine. It's quite at the limit but it runs just smoothly enough to watch a movie.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paoleela wrote:
By the way: After I installed a DVD drive, I noticed that OSX isn't able to play a DVD smoothly with the 600Mhz G3. I tried mplayer for OSX and also VLC.
The best result on linux I get with xine. It's quite at the limit but it runs just smoothly enough to watch a movie.


I can't believe that. On my G3/600 DVD plays smoothly on OSX. No Problem! Really! 8) With VLC no Problem!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On the other hand, if you've just included Valencia and Baleares as regions where they speak Catalan, it is just completely false. Valencians have two languages: Valencian and Spanish, whilst balearians speak Balearian and Spanish. Valencian and Balearian are close to Catalan, sure, but they're not Catalan, in much the same way as Portuguese is not Spanish.


I couldn't avoid it... I think I didn't react when this was posted because I was trying to be polite. Well, now I am not in such a good mood.

urcindalo (gosh, in what were you thinking when you came up with such an outrageous name?), you are a such a bleeding looney!

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Valencian is also the name used by linguists to identify one of the most important dialectal varieties within the Catalan language spoken in central and southern Valencia.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencian

Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left! Now what?

I recommend you one of those boxy things called "books". Go read a bit and get a bit of education. But in the meanwhile please try to simply shut up and pretend you do not exist. Got it? Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread ends here. :p Please take it somewhere else, it's not on topic for Gentoo/PPC.
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