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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:20 pm    Post subject: VidaLinux Works Nice Reply with quote

I just thought I would comment on my experience with VidaLinux.
I was looking for something to get my Centrino based Dell laptop up and running rathter quickly. I didn't feel like waiting forever to do a regular Gentoo install so I tried some other distros on it. I tried Ubuntu at first, but the package manager didn't seem to have the huge selection of apps that I am used to with Gentoo. Next I tried Suse 10.0. It seemed great at first, but then I started to realize I had little problems that were bugging the crap out of me. JEdit wasn't working right, and come to find out, it was a 2 year old version. I looked in Yast to update it, but I found no updates. I had this same problem with many other pieces of software. So I figured, screw it, I'm going to upgrade to the alpha opensuse 10.1 release. The I realized upgrading Suse is nothing like Gentoo. No emerge -Dup world or equivalent. I basically had to do another install, except select the upgrade option. Reading in the several of the crappy suse forums, I realize that many people have had severe upgrade problems.
I finally gave up and was planning on doing another Jackass install, when I came across VidaLinux. Basically, just a stage 3 install with a nice gui Anaconda installer. This is the perfect distro for me. A nice quick installer and still a Gentoo system with the Portage I'm familiar with. It installed in about 35 minutes, and I had a working 'basic' gnome 2.12 environment. The only problem was that it uses gcc 3.3.5 and I need 3.4.4 so I can use arch=pentium-m.
So I now have a nicely working laptop, that I can change the CFLAGS on and do an emerge -e world when I have time.

Just thought I would mention this for those who might be interested in a faster and gui install for Gentoo. I would say my preferred method of install is still Jackass, but if I'm in a hurry, Vida seems like a good shortcut.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved from Gentoo Chat to Off the Wall.
Not about Gentoo so OTW
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok. This is really frustrating, because VidaLinux is simply a stage 3 Gentoo install that was installed by a GUI. It even says Gentoo when it starts.
If Vida doesn't belong in even Gentoo Chat, then JackAss certainly doesn't belong in "Documentation, Tips, and Tricks", "Installing Gentoo", and "Unsupported Software" (all where I found info on JackAss).

This certainly doesn't belong with the other goofy non-Gentoo related topics in "Off the Wall" like: "Riots in France", "iPod(Nano) vs iAudio X5(L)", and "12DailyPro"
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

all Jackass stuff should be in OTW (or dustbin) :wink:
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh c'mon. Jackass has worked really well for me and I have had absolutely no problems with it. It's fast and stable. I also don't believe it should be in OTW because it is Gentoo. The only real difference is we are using Bob P's suggestions for packages and some use flags.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the reason for it [Jackass!] being in the Unsupported Software forum. It *is* Gentoo-related, but in no way officially supported by the Gentoo developers. You get to keep the pieces if it breaks...

Edit: Clarified what I meant by "it".
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryker wrote:
Ok. This is really frustrating, because VidaLinux is simply a stage 3 Gentoo install that was installed by a GUI. It even says Gentoo when it starts.

Nope it isn't. It's distribution on its own, with its own website, support forums and commercial support. They install their own ebuilds (such as kernel sources), so it's not a plain Gentoo. If a vida box breaks the error may be caused by some Gentoo tool, on the other hand it could as well be vida's fault. That's why vida stuff goes to OTW. Report errors to vida linux and if it's really a Gentoo bug they may consider reporting it upstream.

Jackass OTOH does some things i'm not perfectly fond of, but at least they are just doing their own instructions and do not use anything but plain Gentoo. That's why they are tolerated on the forums (mainly in US, some threads are still in other forums for historic reasons).
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*me considers replacing Ubuntu on my desktop with Vidalinux.*

This is the first I've heard of it, and it looks rather nice.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't there another gentoo install cd floating around that sets you up with an kde desktop and uses native gentoo tools?

Something like "Koora" but different!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stage 3 with GRP?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amne wrote:
Stage 3 with GRP?
Zynot?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Stage 3 with GRP?


Nah! It was a project of an australian gentooer, but I forgot his and the projects name.

Shame on me! :oops:
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean the Kororaa install? Belongs more into the different distribution already, among other things they ship a very non-Gentoo make.conf including FEATURES="-sandbox". They also modified some stuff (other kernel sources, etc iirc).
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could've sworn I'd read about Vida having a name change.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I was looking for! Thanks for finding and explaining. :D
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn, my Zynot comment didn't stir anything.

It really has turned into ZyNOT.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokehabit wrote:
damn, my Zynot comment didn't stir anything.

It really has turned into ZyNOT.
I thought it was unfortunate nothing came of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
cokehabit wrote:
damn, my Zynot comment didn't stir anything.

It really has turned into ZyNOT.
I thought it was unfortunate nothing came of it.
well i would have liked to see portage written in C but that's about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Could've sworn I'd read about Vida having a name change.
Yes it's VLOS now.. (i'm guessing it stands for Vida Linux Operating System)

Correct me If I'm wrong.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokehabit wrote:
well i would have liked to see portage written in C but that's about it.
As I recall, he was targeting embedded devices.

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pjp wrote:
Could've sworn I'd read about Vida having a name change.
Yes it's VLOS now.. (i'm guessing it stands for Vida Linux Operating System)

Correct me If I'm wrong.
Ah, didn't realize it was that creative. Most likely that was it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
cokehabit wrote:
well i would have liked to see portage written in C but that's about it.
As I recall, he was targeting embedded devices.
yeah, his view was that a lower level language than python was needed for embedded systems but i can imagine that some form of code would have gone into making portage in C
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