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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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since GCC 3.4 has been marked as stable, there's now no need any longer to unmask it.

Because of this, is still required to rebuild the toolchain and...
I'm asking this because I plan to install Gentoo on my "little" server which is really slow (duron750, 256MB SDRAM...) and don't want to waste a (few) day(s) more, if there is no need. Please edit this howto.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

suppot questions? how about trying the support thread? :idea:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just gotta say: Bob... you are the man... your guide should replace gentoo's installation handbook, period.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: Well... Reply with quote

Thank you. Wonderfull guide. My box is working like never before.!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

:arrow: PDF Updated for GCC 3.4.5 and Gentoo 2005.1-r1 installation media.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: It may help. Reply with quote

Use "gcc -v -Q" in order to display the enabled optimization flags. Then you can figure out what optimization flags -O123 really does enable.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob P wrote:
:arrow: PDF Updated for GCC 3.4.5 and Gentoo 2005.1-r1 installation media.


The pdf available on your website is the old one.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slycordinator wrote:
Bob P wrote:
:arrow: PDF Updated for GCC 3.4.5 and Gentoo 2005.1-r1 installation media.


The pdf available on your website is the old one.

i've updated the links so that the PDF on the website is the correct one. thanks for pointing out the error.

i would prefer that people not post direct links to the file, as that's a violation of the site's terms of service.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: It may help. Reply with quote

sylware wrote:
Use "gcc -v -Q" in order to display the enabled optimization flags. Then you can figure out what optimization flags -O123 really does enable.

unfortunately, that recommendation isn't really all that helpful. :?

as you've noticed in nxsty's responses to your inquiry in the CFLAGS Central thread, your recommendation for the use of gcc -v -Q doesn't really provide all the information that is needed to be very useful. :cry:

if you really want to understand what optimizations are in effect for x86 processors at each optimization level, your only recourse is to RTFM -- all of the x86 section, not just bits and pieces.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: It may help. Reply with quote

Bob P wrote:
sylware wrote:
Use "gcc -v -Q" in order to display the enabled optimization flags. Then you can figure out what optimization flags -O123 really does enable.

unfortunately, that recommendation isn't really all that helpful. :?

Yes it is for people who want to check was optimization flags are enabled.
Bob P wrote:

as you've noticed in nxsty's responses to your inquiry in the CFLAGS Central thread, your recommendation for the use of gcc -v -Q doesn't really provide all the information that is needed to be very useful. :cry:
My point was to check which optimizations are on, not the full understanding of the inner working of optimization technics.
Bob P wrote:

if you really want to understand what optimizations are in effect for x86 processors at each optimization level, your only recourse is to RTFM -- all of the x86 section, not just bits and pieces.
Again, that was not my point, you misunderstood.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:15 pm    Post subject: Stage1/3 on Mac? Reply with quote

Has anyone ever tried this with a mac? I have an iBook that I want to put Gentoo on, but was wondering if anyone has heard of doing this installation (or something similar) for a Mac.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

question answered in the Support Thread. :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob P wrote:
slycordinator wrote:
Bob P wrote:
:arrow: PDF Updated for GCC 3.4.5 and Gentoo 2005.1-r1 installation media.


The pdf available on your website is the old one.

i've updated the links so that the PDF on the website is the correct one, but because you are providing a direct link to the document i am turning off all document downloads until the link is removed. please remove the direct link to the file, as it constitutes a prohibited use of the website under the site's terms of service. i'll turn it back on for everyone as soon as you comply. thanks.


While I think that's a lame move on your part... I complied.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob P wrote:

i've updated the links so that the PDF on the website is the correct one


I beg to differ...

Repro steps:

1) Go to http://bobp.webhop.org
2) Click on "Stage 1/3 + NPTL Installation Guide" link
3) Click on the PDF link
4) Click on the "Stage 1/3 Install Guide" link
5) Save the PDF named stage13-2005.1.pdf
6) Look at the file's contents and notice no mention of 3.4.5

edit:
And if you removed all document downloads why am I still able to download this? Seems that downloads never got turned off; or you just responded quicker than I imagined would be possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whether you consider it lame or not, I do not authorize people to direct link to binary library content on my site without my permission. ultimately, since i created the content and i own it, i am allowed to dictate how it is distributed. insofar as this is a gift to the Gentoo community, i think that the Gentoo community should be willing to accept the gift gracefully. :wink:

you may not be aware of it but there is a significant problem for people who host web content related to theft of content and theft of bandwidth. graphics images are the content most commonly stolen. unscrupulous webmasters will steal other people's artwork, incorporating it for display it on their web pages. in addition to stealing images, some unscrupulous webmasters will go so far as to leave the image on the original site and incorporate an image display link on their web page. when they do this, the original host has both his artwork AND his bandwidth stolen. not only is the other webmaster using the owner's art, the other webmaster is using the owner's bandwidth to display it to people who aren't even his customers. in such a fashion, people effectively steal two things: other people's artwork, and other people's bandwidth. and they're stealing for profit. :twisted:

while this is an all too common problem for artwork, it is also a problem for other digital content -- in this case, my PDF. granted, by posting a remote link here you're not hijacking my document for profit, but posting a remote link to the file effectively prevents me from ever being able to generate any revenue from my work -- if people were to go around posting direct links to the file, nobody would have to visit my site to obtain it. nobody would see the credits, the support links, or the ads, and nobody would ever have to think about supporting the project. :idea:

i think its important for you to understand the nature of this whole project, so i'm going to spell it out for everyone. i have spent over 2000 hobby hours working on the Stage 1/3 Guides -- in doing the development work, the testing, the documentation, and in proviidng support. i don't get paid anything for my time. i do this as a gift to the Gentoo community.

i have maintained a private server at my expense to host the project. my server logs show that the Guide has been downloaded by over 100,000 unique users over the past year. of these 100,000 unique users, a total of FOUR people have made some sort of contribution to support the Stage 1/3 effort. FOUR people in a YEAR. that's 4 in 100,000+, or 4.0E-005 users. that's not even enough to pay for the electricity to run ONE box. two of those people are Jackass! Team members, so i don't think that its even fair to count them. as you can see, alot of people take from the project, but virtually NOBODY bothers to give anything back. :roll: as you can imagine, lack of support like this doesn't provide much incentive to continue working on the project.

i mistakenly assumed that because i invented such a revolutionary new method of building the toolkit and created a version of Gentoo that was better than the standard distribution by leaps and bounds, people would be willing to support the project with donations. i was wrong about that. :( because everybody loves to use the Stage 1/3 Guide but NOBODY is willing to make a donation to support it, i've had to monetize the website with ads. i did this in the vain hope that the people who value the Stage 1/3 Guide so much, but are just too cheap to support it, would at least be willing to lift a finger to give support to the project through ad clicks. i was wrong about that, too. :(

less than 1/20 of 1% of Stage 1/3 users are willing to perform a simple ad click to support the site. that's one in 5.0 E-004 users. granted, that's 12x as many people as had actually sent in donations, but that kind of support is absolutely abysmal. i really find it to be an insult that over 100,000 people would use the Guide and proclaim how great it is, yet so few satisfied users would consider lifting a finger to provide a single mouse click in support of the project. i guess people are just lazy, or that by going through the effort of clicking they'd lose the feeling that they're getting something for nothing -- a feeling that everyone appararently can't bear to lose. :evil:

so how does this relate to direct links? nobody supports the project with donations, and nobody supports the project with ad clicks. as this project is already over a year old, i'm losing interest in maintaining it for people who don't seem to appreciate all of the work that it requires on my part. by posting a remote link to the PDF file, you effectively remove both the only way that people can support the project and the only enticement to continue to support the project that i have. even though you've probably never considered it, you've cut me off at the knees. i think THAT is lame.

thanks for taking the time to read this, to understand why direct links aren't approved, and for removing the link. :) just for the record, the rapidity of my responses demonstates that i'm working on Gentoo as a full-time job (without pay). :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am still unable to download your revised pdf file.

100% of the time I go to your website and am given the old one. I also know it can't be a brower cache problem as I've deleted the cache a couple times and I'm still given the old pdf which mentions using the 2005.1 tarball and gcc 3.4.4 (as opposed to gcc 3.4.5 and 2005.1-r1).

Also, the reason I posted the direct link was simply so that I could help. I figured that perhaps the link I was getting was faulty/old and posting that link would help you fix it. Posting the repro steps like I did "does the job" in getting the point across just in a slower way.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i appreciate your efforts to help. :)

the links were correct, but an old version of the file was on the server. presumably an old version of the file got copied from backup when the server got rebuilt a couple of days ago. seems fixed now. thanks for your help. have fun.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bob P.

I went to you website to check out your RockHopper guides and i couldnt seem to find then Documentation. And also sorry to hear about your Google ordeal im thinking i might sign up just so i can see if that happens to myself lol. Like to always test things out.

By the way i was click on a few ads in there. really liked the Oreick XL lol
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob, can you update the first page with 2005.1-r1 and GCC 3.4.5 guide?

Okay it's in PDF but, I can't see PDFs in Gentoo LiveCD! and I stay totally blinded during installation... so could you put this guide in HTML?

Thanks!

PS: Sry my bad english.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Okay it's in PDF but, I can't see PDFs in Gentoo LiveCD!


You'll probably have to print it out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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viniciusferrao wrote:
Okay it's in PDF but, I can't see PDFs in Gentoo LiveCD!


You'll probably have to print it out.


Ahhh I don't want to print hehehe :(
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you wanted to do another update... glibc-2.3.6-r2 is now ~x86

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

viniciusferrao wrote:
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Okay it's in PDF but, I can't see PDFs in Gentoo LiveCD!


You'll probably have to print it out.


Ahhh I don't want to print hehehe :(


Ahhh, I don't want to rewrite for somebody who's too lazy to print. hehehe. :lol:
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey bob,

On the front page of this thread you say that CHOST for i586 are not supported yet your new pdf has a section telling the user about changing the CHOST value for i586 boxes. That's section 6.5

And then in section 7.2.1 it gives a make.conf example of building for a pentium-pro which is a 586.
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