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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also am guessing he has kernel preempt enabled in his kernel.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thedopefishlives wrote:
Now that sounded like the start of a flamewar *laughs* The fact of the matter is, some people still use Java - I know a Java developer myself - and so it has to be supported in some form.


;-)

I'm sure everyone knows a Java or PHP developer. My point is those languages were designed without sound computer programming principles in mind


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpsii wrote:
Just my two cents here...

It seems as if our friend tried to completely optimize his system from the get-go with custom CFLAGS, etc.
I would recommend a standard stage3 installation, following the handbook. From that point on, if you don't have a good reason to add or remove something from the make.conf file, DON'T. And please don't use the phrase "something I lifted from a x86 user" as x86 is a different platform from PPC (obviously).


What set me on this path of confusion was that I wasnt able to get a GUI from the bare minimum installation, I stumbled along until I was able to get it to work.
In fact the -O3 flag wasnt set the first time around. But glibc kept on failing.
I used lynx to access gentoo's website until I was able to get a GUI, at which point I took the next step (or atleast what I thought was the next step) and did an:
'emerge -e system' to maximize the most out of my laptop.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX wrote:
havepb_willtravel:

There's no error message there?
Can you post the result of
Code:
# emerge libperl -pv
# emerge perl -pv
# emerge vim -pv


'emerge libperl -pv' shows:
[ebuild R ] sys-devel/libperl-5.8.7 +berkdb -debug +gdbm +ithreads 0kb

'emerge perl -pv' shows:
[ebuild R ] dev-lang/perl-5.8.7 +berkdb -build -debug -doc +gdbm -ithreads -minimal -perlsuid

'emerge vim -pv'
[ebuild N ] app-editors/vim-6.4 +acl +bash-completion +cscope +gpm -minimal +nls +perl +python +ruby -vim-with-x
Furthermore, I didn an: 'emerge world' which stopped at the hald emerge, but now the menu to windowmaker is nonexistent.
I press F12 and only a tab pops up with the word 'window' in it.

I know I'm jumping around, I guess I should have left well enough alone.
I wmaker.inst, removing the ~/$HOME/ GNUStep directory, all to no avail.

Thanks for your continued help on this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

havepb_willtravel wrote:

'emerge libperl -pv' shows:
[ebuild R ] sys-devel/libperl-5.8.7 +berkdb -debug +gdbm +ithreads 0kb

'emerge perl -pv' shows:
[ebuild R ] dev-lang/perl-5.8.7 +berkdb -build -debug -doc +gdbm -ithreads -minimal -perlsuid

Well there you go then. Did you try reading the error message you get when you install vim?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ciaranm wrote:
havepb_willtravel wrote:

'emerge libperl -pv' shows:
[ebuild R ] sys-devel/libperl-5.8.7 +berkdb -debug +gdbm +ithreads 0kb

'emerge perl -pv' shows:
[ebuild R ] dev-lang/perl-5.8.7 +berkdb -build -debug -doc +gdbm -ithreads -minimal -perlsuid

Well there you go then. Did you try reading the error message you get when you install vim?


There are no error messages which is why I only posted a partial listing of what 'emerge vim' spits out.
It just stops with messages that are similar to what I have listed in a previous post.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

havepb_willtravel wrote:
There are no error messages which is why I only posted a partial listing of what 'emerge vim' spits out.
It just stops with messages that are similar to what I have listed in a previous post.

Mmm. Are you running an old broken Portage with logging enabled?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
If the above messages seem to be talking about perl
and undefined references, please try re-emerging both
perl and libperl with the same USE flags. For more
information, see:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18129

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX wrote:
havepb_willtravel:

There's no error message there?
Can you post the result of
Code:
# emerge libperl -pv
# emerge perl -pv
# emerge vim -pv


Removed 'ithreads' from package.use and that fixed the problem. Apparently perl still does not like threads, perl doesnt really need and never has needed threads.
I dont know why its recommended in the stage1/stage3 install tutorial.

Any guesses why my windowmaker GUI is acting flakey?

Thanks for all your help.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to say, but sounds like it's configured incorrectly.


As for Perl + threads, the threads issue was that you built only one of perl and libperl with threads support. You need to use the same threads setting for both packages.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

havepb_willtravel wrote:
JoseJX wrote:
havepb_willtravel:

There's no error message there?
Can you post the result of
Code:
# emerge libperl -pv
# emerge perl -pv
# emerge vim -pv


Removed 'ithreads' from package.use and that fixed the problem. Apparently perl still does not like threads, perl doesnt really need and never has needed threads.
I dont know why its recommended in the stage1/stage3 install tutorial.

To clarify, removing ithreads worked, I was able to reinstall vim succesfully.

Any guesses why my windowmaker GUI is acting flakey?

Thanks for all your help.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX wrote:
As for Perl + threads, the threads issue was that you built only one of perl and libperl with threads support. You need to use the same threads setting for both packages.


I had ithreads for both libperl and perl, vim would not install.
After removing ithreads for both vim works.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX wrote:
Hard to say, but sounds like it's configured incorrectly.


It was working just fine before I did an emerge -e system. How do I figure out what to correct?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

havepb_willtravel wrote:
I had ithreads for both libperl and perl, vim would not install.


No you didn't, look closely:

havepb_willtravel wrote:
'emerge libperl -pv' shows:
[ebuild R ] sys-devel/libperl-5.8.7 +berkdb -debug +gdbm +ithreads 0kb

'emerge perl -pv' shows:
[ebuild R ] dev-lang/perl-5.8.7 +berkdb -build -debug -doc +gdbm -ithreads -minimal -perlsuid


I can't help you at all with your windowmaker problem, but it sounds like you overwrote your configuration file with etc-update. Perhaps ask in the desktop forum? You might get more of a response there, but I'd check your configuration first.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^weird prob there chief

hardware issues maybe ? i know but hey ive been using gentoo for a long time and have never had something like that happen

just a thought hope all goes well 8O
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't taken the time to read ahead in this thread, but I can say that after over 50 installs of Gentoo on various hardware...the problem this person is having is not a software problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm sure everyone knows a Java or PHP developer. My point is those languages were designed without sound computer programming principles in mind


obviously you aren't a computer scientist, nor do you know what "sound" computer programming principles are...if you are seriously interested, I could point you to some literature, and even explain to you why you are wrong and what you are missing.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rwgeorge wrote:
I haven't taken the time to read ahead in this thread, but I can say that after over 50 installs of Gentoo on various hardware...the problem this person is having is not a software problem.


Uh yeah, somehow OpenSuse ran perfectly on my PowerBook.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rwgeorge wrote:
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I'm sure everyone knows a Java or PHP developer. My point is those languages were designed without sound computer programming principles in mind


obviously you aren't a computer scientist, nor do you know what "sound" computer programming principles are...if you are seriously interested, I could point you to some literature, and even explain to you why you are wrong and what you are missing.


Obviously you arent either, PHP and Java are not computer languages that I would entrust any application. The only reason those two languages have gained any ubiquity (more like noteriety) is because they are supposedly easy to learn. But the reality is that Java had a lot of marketing muscle pushing it, and its still a POS crap computer language, its still handles memory allocation in one of the most inefficient manners. PHP is another language that the VB script kiddies went gaga over and the lazy computer nerds capitalized on.
Two horrid languages that have been thrust upon the unsuspecting public.
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