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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Unable to fetch KDE-3.5.1 packages Reply with quote

Guys, my portage isn't able to fetch the new packages for the kde-meta-3.5.1 ebuild, nor any package related to this new release (3.5.1). What can I do to download the sources and install this new version?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it looks like that the 3.5.1 ebuilds are just placeholders until the official upstream release is out

emerge =kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.1
Calculating dependencies
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "=kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.1" have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.1 (masked by: package.mask)
# Dan Armak <danarmak@gentoo.org> (23 Jan 2006)
# KDE 3.5.1 masked until official upstream release


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait until the packages are there, they might take some days. These packages are still HARD MASKED.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder why are the MD5 for the 3.5.1 different to the other ebuilds then.

Code:
# diff digest-kdelibs-3.5.1 digest-kdelibs-3.5.0-r2
1c1
< MD5 2a22193ae7c23f3759b02723dab02d30 kdelibs-3.5.1.tar.bz2 15459894
---
> MD5 2b11d654e2ea1a3cd16dcfdcbb7d1915 kdelibs-3.5.0.tar.bz2 15379557


Because of this, I assume that "danarmak" has access to the source packages and what kde is doing now is building packages for the other distributions. So the packages are ready, but not available to the public.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thought I would note that I'm seeing this as well...

Anyone have a better idea of when the files are going to show up?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Each new release the same, here is the thread for 3.5.0: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-405171-highlight-kde3+download.html

If you dont want to suffer this annoyances specify versions into package.unmask (or remove the kde packages from the file, since 3.5.0 is just arch masked and only need the packages to be put into package.keywords).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not really an annoyance... I'm mostly just excited to see a new release coming down the pipe....

The up to the minuteness is why I use Gentoo in the first place ;-)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

friedmud wrote:
It's not really an annoyance... I'm mostly just excited to see a new release coming down the pipe....

The up to the minuteness is why I use Gentoo in the first place ;-)

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i like gentoo just as much as the next guy, but suse and ubuntu packages usually come with the release announcement, whereas with gentoo you have to spend a while compiling them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best thing is that I unmerged my KDE-3.5.0, to realize later that the new packages aren't available yet. :oops:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The source can normally be had in advance from their cvs or whatever so the Gentoo KDE devs can have the ebuilds ready and working when 3.5.1 comes out, which is why they hit the tree, hard masked before the actual release by KDE.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

6thpink wrote:
Each new release the same, here is the thread for 3.5.0: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-405171-highlight-kde3+download.html
Yes. This topic returns every time a new KDE release is expected. I don't understand why those ebuilds are in portage already. What happens with the MDsums? These are unknown until the tarballs are released. There is no point in releasing the ebuilds so early.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

germanobax wrote:
The best thing is that I unmerged my KDE-3.5.0, to realize later that the new packages aren't available yet. :oops:


germanbox,

Why do you unmerge all of KDE-3.5.0 to emerge KDE-3.5.1? If you are using the split ebuilds, this causes you to waste time. Not all packages in KDE-3.5.1 will be updated/different than those in 3.5.0. The split ebuilds method will in reality only update those that need updating. Maybe I am wrong about this, but that was my understanding as part of the reason Gentoo moved to the split ebuilds.

Not meaning to get off topic here :).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdgill0 wrote:


germanbox,

Why do you unmerge all of KDE-3.5.0 to emerge KDE-3.5.1? If you are using the split ebuilds, this causes you to waste time. Not all packages in KDE-3.5.1 will be updated/different than those in 3.5.0. The split ebuilds method will in reality only update those that need updating. Maybe I am wrong about this, but that was my understanding as part of the reason Gentoo moved to the split ebuilds.

Not meaning to get off topic here :).


I think that updating to 3.5.1 it will update all the split ebuilds from 3.5.0 to 3.5.1 regardless of the changes in the ebuild. The split ebuilds would allow to pach specific components of kdenetwork for instance. So split ebuilds would be helpful for a bug in kopete and not to recompile the whole kdenetwork. But if there is a new release, all splits ebuild will be recompiled. That is how I understand this.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

irondog wrote:
I don't understand why those ebuilds are in portage already.

In case the tarballs are released at the time the gentoo kde developers are asleep and ebuilds are not immediately available, people start bitching here in the forums. If they're there in advance, people can start compiling and bitch about other things.

irondog wrote:
What happens with the MDsums? These are unknown until the tarballs are released.

No, they are the same. The tarballs that are released are the same that are send to distribution developers some time before to let them build binary packages (or ebuilds).

irondog wrote:
There is no point in releasing the ebuilds so early.

I'd say there's no point in holding them back, except that people don't read the package.mask comment and ask the same questions again and again for each release :lol:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved from Desktop Environments to Duplicate Threads in favour of kdelibs-3.5.1 in portage but missing on ftp servers
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