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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:25 am    Post subject: Is Gentoo faster (dons flame retardent suit) ? Reply with quote

Hi,

I have been using GNU/ Linux for about 8 years, and currently prefer Debian based distro's. I have toyed with Gentoo several times, but am put-off by the install versus perceived gain issue.

I'm now reviewing Gentoo again, and am wondering, is Gentoo significantly faster than any other (non-bloaty) distro?

I'd appreciate your comments.

Many thanks,

Chris.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, I don't know. What I can tell you is that with the proper planning it is the most stable OS I have used and is exactly what I want.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: Is Gentoo faster (dons flame retardent suit) ? Reply with quote

chris_andrew wrote:
Hi,

I have been using GNU/ Linux for about 8 years, and currently prefer Debian based distro's. I have toyed with Gentoo several times, but am put-off by the install versus perceived gain issue.

I'm now reviewing Gentoo again, and am wondering, is Gentoo significantly faster than any other (non-bloaty) distro?

I'd appreciate your comments.

Many thanks,

Chris.


My experience is on an athlon-xp Gentoo is definitely faster but on an amd64 they are about the same.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The older your box is, the more you'll see a difference. But Gentoo is not about speed anyhow; it is about control and configurability, at least IMO! :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

loki99 wrote:
The older your box is, the more you'll see a difference. But Gentoo is not about speed anyhow; it is about control and configurability, at least IMO! :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your comments.

I'll be installing on an Intel Celeron 466 with 128mb, 2*IDE HDD (1*3gb, 1*4gb).

Thanks,

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris_andrew wrote:
Thanks for your comments.

I'll be installing on an Intel Celeron 466 with 128mb, 2*IDE HDD (1*3gb, 1*4gb).

Thanks,

Chris.


Yikes...no KDE or Gnome for you B-)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, probably Window Maker or something similar.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread might help you to optimize your system a little bit. Especially NPTL is worth looking at.

The install cd still uses gcc-3.3.5 even though gcc-3.4.4 already is in stable, so you'd need to update if you want to use the new compiler.
If you would like to update gcc, I'd suggest to do it (which involve emerging system twice!) right after chroot-ing into your new enviroment even before compiling the kernel.

Here are some links that might be useful:

* Gentoo Linux Documentation

* Gentoo Linux Wiki

* Google search for the Gentoo forums

* cfg-update or dipatch-conf (alternatives to etc-update)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved to Gentoo Chat. Searched and failed to find a duplicate of this, oh well.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might als look at the jackass prohect, which is somewhat tailored for older machines.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackEdder wrote:
You might als look at the jackass prohect, which is somewhat tailored for older machines.


ATM you can only download the 2006-beta-i686 experimental version.

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Jackass! 2006.0

Jackass! 2006.0 is currently in the final stages of beta testing. It features a toolkit that is based upon GCC 3.4.5 and Glibc 2.3.6. Threading support is now based exclusively on NPTL. Linuxthreads support has been deprecated. (ie: +nptl +nptlonly). If you are interested in becoming a member of the Jackass! Testing Teams, please visit our Testing Page.


For the Jackass! 2005.2 Tarballs you need to "buy" the cd, or so it seems. :?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doch ! ich dachte anfangs auch, dass die das nicht machen, guckst du hier: http://jackass.homelinux.org/jackass/mirror.html

sure! they distribute it on their mirrors :D

i'm running it on 2 boxes: a samsung laptop and an athlon-xp box and the responsibility & stability is great ! :P

Big thanks to Bob Predaina and the Jackass Team / Group :P
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience Gentoo is definitely faster to run. I'm using fairly recent hardware--desktop is P4, 512MB of RAM--but I'm not sure the speed comes from the compiler optimizations--and mine are modest, just the very basic and safe -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer optimizations. However I'm definitely sure I'm getting a speed boost from not having craploads of unneeded services running. Of course you can disable services in any distro, but with other distros I'm always afraid to shut off services because I don't know what sort of cascading effect this will have. With Gentoo I know exactly what every service is doing, and I know exactly how most packages on my system are compiled for. (I say "most" because I'm still new to Gentoo and Linux, so I don't know what each and every thing does.)

I get much better startup/shutdown times with Gentoo. Maybe this doesn't matter much on a desktop, but it does on a laptop, especially with Linux power management (e.g. sleep) still needing a lot more work. Gentoo shuts down and starts up so fast I really don't need a sleep or hibernate. With Gentoo it's also easy to customize the power management on a laptop--laptop-mode-tools is really neat. I think Gentoo on a laptop is even more essential than on a desktop.

BUT, does the performance make up for the time spent learning and installing Gentoo? Of course not! I'm sure that, time wise, I would have come out ahead by continuing to use SUSE Linux. But I like knowing how my computer is working, and I love the Gentoo community. SUSE's got some irritating little bugs; at least with Gentoo, I know what causes irritating little bugs--and usually I can fix them.

I'm surprised our trusty moderator couldn't find a duplicate for this thread, but since s/he didn't, I'll register my opinion now...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As it was said before Gentoo is more about the full contol thing.

I also use Arch Linux which is optimized just with "-march=i686 -pipe" an there is no noticable speed difference on my PIII 1 Ghz with 512 MB RAM. If you want to have the most control over the build process (the features that should be compiled in a package according to your USE-Flags) without all the hassle building stuff by hand (download & untar & ./configure & make and so on) than gentoo is the way to go.

Not the mention all the things you'll learn about your system and the really nice community :D

Just my 2 cent.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had many optimizations in Gentoo, from -O2 and other use flags to NPTL, and I honestly noticed no speed difference between Arch and Gentoo as krigav said as well. Cheers.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernelOfTruth wrote:
doch ! ich dachte anfangs auch, dass die das nicht machen, guckst du hier: http://jackass.homelinux.org/jackass/mirror.html

sure! they distribute it on their mirrors :D

i'm running it on 2 boxes: a samsung laptop and an athlon-xp box and the responsibility & stability is great ! :P

Big thanks to Bob Predaina and the Jackass Team / Group :P



Dann klick dich mal durch zu den tarballs! :wink:

I can only find the 2006 tarballs on those mirrors. :?:
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Gentoo faster (dons flame retardent suit) ? Reply with quote

chris_andrew wrote:
I'm now reviewing Gentoo again, and am wondering, is Gentoo significantly faster than any other (non-bloaty) distro?


Depends on how the other distro is built, and on how you build Gentoo, really. Let's put it this way, if done correctly, I think Gentoo is pretty close to best you can get when it comes to optimization. The main limitation of generic distributions in this aspect is that they have to provide generic binaries that work for everyone.

However, don't think too much of it - after all, the main limitation about performance is how stuff was actually programmed, and not which flags were used to compile it. There is only so much you can do with compilter optimization; and special CPU extensions can not be used that often to really make a difference for most applications.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a relative newbie to linux, Gentoo is the only distro I've had real experience with. The idea that you can optimise programs specifically for your computer appeals to the "go faster" kiddie in me, but I couldn't say if I notice any real improvement.
What I love about Gentoo is the community [i.e. this forum], and the helpful guides such as the documentation on the main site and the Wiki.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Gentoo faster (dons flame retardent suit) ? Reply with quote

chris_andrew wrote:

I'm now reviewing Gentoo again, and am wondering, is Gentoo significantly faster than any other (non-bloaty) distro?


Nope.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@loki99:

oh dear! yes, you're right, the seem to have updated all of their mirrors, ...

... well, I'm glad that I could download their latest stable release (2005.1) for pentium 3 some days ago :roll:
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved from Gentoo Chat to Duplicate Threads in favour of an ancient thread and a newer one (as the first one is locked).
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