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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:59 am    Post subject: fresh install: emerge --usepkg --update yaboot Reply with quote

Again (This is the second time in two days), I am at the end of the gentoo handbook. I am re-installing (completely fresh, the entire hard drive was wiped clean) on a Powerbook IV. Again, I am encountering the same problem. I reach this section of the handbook and run
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 emerge --usepkg --update yaboot

Now (again), portage is emerging 48 packages. WHY!? I suspect portage will try and emerge the same one it tried last time, an ibm java kit. This will fail for obvious reasons. What is going on?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone suggested in your last post, use emerge with the -t flag to see why the extra packages are being pulled in. It's also been a while since the last release so newer versions of most packages have come out, we'll be updating in the near future.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind waiting for 48 packages if that's what needs to be done. But why, especially for an installation, would there be a package like ibm-jre-bin? Is there going to be something in the new ppc handbook that says something like: "If you included java in your use flags, you will need to go and download a file from ibm's website before emerging yaboot." ?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you add the java use flag, you should expect that you'll need to download java. I'm not sure how you could expect otherwise? Can you please post the output of the emerge with -t added? I'd like to see which package is pulling in java.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:
[ebuild    N           ]  sys-boot/yaboot-1.3.13-r1
[ebuild    N           ]    sys-apps/powerpc-utils-1.1.3-r18
[ebuild    N           ]    sys-fs/hfsplusutils-1.0.4-r1
[ebuild            U   ]      sys-devel/automake-1.9.6-r1 [1.9.5]
[nomerge               ]  app-admin/perl-cleaner-1.01
[ebuild            U   ]        dev-lang/perl-5.8.7-r3 [5.8.6-r5]
[ebuild            U   ]          sys-devel/libperl-5.8.7 [5.8.6-r1]
[ebuild            U   ]          sys-libs/db-4.2.52_p2-r1 [4.2.52_p2]
[ebuild    N  F        ]            dev-java/ibm-jdk-bin-1.4.2.03
[ebuild    N  F        ]            dev-java/ibm-jre-bin-1.4.2.03


I understand that if I mark java as a USE variable, it may be brought in as a dependency. What I don't understand is, why not blackdown? That's what was used the first time I installed gentoo (successfully) on my computer. I guess I even understand why ibm might be used now, as I've heard it is optimal on ppc. What I'm still having a hard time understanding is why ibm would be used when following the handbook, which seems like the set of instructions most people use including virtually all first time users, for installation.

*Note: Before running
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 emerge -t --usepkg --update yaboot
which produced the output posted above, I attempted to emerge ibm-jre-bin after downloading IBMJava2-JRE-142.ppc-SR3.tgz. The Digest verification Failed, Reason: Filesize does not match recorded size. I'm mentioning this to offer an explanation (which could be entirely wrong) as to why the F's appear in the last two lines of the initial output above.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you change the use flags, you should expect additional dependencies. The handbook is only a guideline. If you're not using the gentoo package CDs, then --usepkg doesn't make any sense for instance.

blackdown is *not* a realistic option for PowerPC. It's old (the last powerpc release was a 1.3 release) and will not work with most java programs. That's why the default is to use IBM's Java. It's recent, is maintained and works. Unfortunately IBM will not let us redistribute it. So you are forced to fetch the sources manually. The F stands for fetch only.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your help JoseJX.
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