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d4n1el
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject: Thinking about buying a G4 Ibook Reply with quote

Hi!
I am going to buy a laptop, and just for now i am thinking about G4 Ibook 12".
But i got some questions..
Isit linux support for all the hardware?
If you compare to gento x86 with gentoo ppc is it a big diffrent when you are talking about stable software?
is it much harder to find it to ppc?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Rant]Unless you like paying $1500 for $500 hardware, I wouldn't recommend it.[/Rant]

As for gentoo support, I beleive it's almost as good as x86. The biggest hardware problem you would have is the broadcom "Airport" wireless card.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore kuhndog86, I'm not sure why people like that post to the PPC forum. You can get a refurb 12" iBook from Apple for 600-700 USD.

The iBooks are completely supported by Linux with open drivers for every piece of hardware (including the Airport Extreme) except the modem. Compared to x86, almost all software with source will "just work", exactly as on x86. Unfortunately, we can't run any x86 binaries like the flash plugin or binary games, but besides that, things are really not all that much different than running on x86.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you for the answears.. i sounds more and more like it's going to be an ibook for me =)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuhndog86 wrote:
[Rant]Unless you like paying $1500 for $500 hardware, I wouldn't recommend it.[/Rant]

You are not right. The ibook G4 12" costs only 1000$.
http://www.apple.com/ibook/
Among all the notebooks (x86 or ppc) 12" of good quality, ibook G4 12" is the least expensive.

If you only occasionally need flash or wmv9, mol is a solution.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you cannot find a 100% silent, small, portable laptop with similar specs for the price anywhere. My iBook G4 is the best purchase I have ever made.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bz31 wrote:

Among all the notebooks (x86 or ppc) 12" of good quality, ibook G4 12" is the least expensive.


Really, How about this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834149037
or this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834149036
or how about this one: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1293901&CatId=927
And here's a 12" thinkpad: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1366754&CatId=927

Averatec really does make a nice laptop. I owned mine for three years before I decided to upgrade, and even though it was a 1.4GHz Athlon XP it was stil faster than any ibook I have ever used.
The Thinkpad costs a little more, but the extra performance is worth it.
JoseJX wrote:

The iBooks are completely supported by Linux with open drivers for every piece of hardware (including the Airport Extreme) except the modem


I never said that there were no airport extreme drivers, I only said that they could be problimatic (I'm struggling with them right now).

I apologize for my previous post. I just get very irritatted when ppl choose a mac over a better price/performance pc because of the "bling" factor or whatever. I am not accusing you of this (and I must confess that when I bought the notebook I am currently using I seriously considered an ibook. I just do not think they are worth it performance-wise. Perhaps the macbook pro's perform better The rest of my reasoning is based on 5+ years experience in dealing with older generation macs and hardware failures (and that probably doesn't apply anymore).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuhndog86:

Sure, the AE drivers can be a little problematic, but they're being actively worked on and will get better ( I know, I'm one of the people who reverse engineered the driver. :P), and actually do work pretty well for most people who are using them.

While you may chose one of those other laptops, people do chose iBooks for various reasons, including the ability to use OSX. Just because you don't want one doesn't mean that it doesn't have value to other people.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuhndog86:
and linux on a G4 is still not as fast as it could be.
do you know libfreevec? imagine this code included in glibc ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

d4n1el - I bought my first ibook a little more than a year ago. I wanted something small, powerful and relatively cheap. It has to me the best computer I have ever owned, (except maybe my first Franklin Ace 1000). OSX is a great OS and does everything I need my desktop to do. They are like a Sun Server but for laptops. There maybe cheaper parts and systems out there but like Sun systems, the Apple systems just work smoothly and are very realible. Everything about them down to their design has been well crafted. I think you will not be disappointed.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX wrote:
Kuhndog86:

Sure, the AE drivers can be a little problematic, but they're being actively worked on and will get better ( I know, I'm one of the people who reverse engineered the driver. :P), and actually do work pretty well for most people who are using them.

While you may chose one of those other laptops, people do chose iBooks for various reasons, including the ability to use OSX. Just because you don't want one doesn't mean that it doesn't have value to other people.


If an ibook suits your needs better than any other laptop, go for it. I was merely attemptiong to suggest some alternatives. If you go to a chevy dealer and ask them if you should buy a chevy, you probably know what the answer is going to be. I was only trying to help by making other suggestions to look into. Anyway, here is what I did when choosing my laptop.

1. Search around on the internet for some suitable models that will meet your needs (size, budget, speed, OSX or not)
2. Find a local retailer(s) who have display models that you can demo
3. Burn some sort of LiveCD (gentoo, ubuntu, knoppix, whatever) that will run on ALL of the arch's that you have looked at
4. Take everything the salesman says with a grain of salt.
5. Boot the machines with your livecd and see which one is most likely to suit your needs.

Good luck.

[EDIT] Oh, I almost forgot. JoseJX: Tell your aquantiance thanks for his/her efforts in reverse engineering the bcm43xx. I really do appreciate the work that has went into that driver[/EDIT]
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuhndog86:

I did the reverse engineering, so ... thanks. :)
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