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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:37 am    Post subject: Move existing OsX Tiger system to a bigger hdd & add gen Reply with quote

I've managed to Install 10.4.5 Tiger on an old Powerbook G3 (Lombard, 333Mhz, 320Mb, Rage Lt Pro, no firewire) on it's tiny 4Gb hdd. Now I've ordered a 40Gb replacement and was wondering if it would be posible to move it to a partition (slightly larger if posible) and dual boot gentoo? if this would work could I have a partition that is mounted in gentoo as /home and in osx as /Users ? I know that my P4 gentoo desktop can deal with HFS+ partitions and would imagine this is the same on ppc?

Would this be posible considering I have at my disposal:

1 iBook G4 (Tiger)

1 P4 Gentoo Linux Desktop

1 Usb to IDE converter cable

1 Powerbook G3 (tiny drive, the patient)

Wired lan everywhere

I would very much like to hear any sugestions on this project.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well I used disk utility to split the 40gb drive into 2 partitions 30gb for Mac osx 10gb for linux (both hfs+) I then followed this guide:

http://www.bombich.com/mactips/image.html

and moved my tiger install on to the 30gb partition and so far so good. but I hear that I'm suposed to have linux on the first partition and osx on the second. is this the case? or can I install gentoo on this second (according to disk utility) partition. do I need to instal the 'bootsrap' partition or is it allready installed as it boots into osx fine.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

using HFS+ for linux isn't a good idea, because it's case insensitive, this gives you (at least) some problems with portage
on HFS+ a file with the name FooBar is the same as foobar, FOObar, fOObaR, etc..
since 2.6.16 the Linux kernel has support for HFSX, what mean HFS+ with extensions. and the only existing extension is, afaik, case-sensitivity ^^

with the sys-fs/hfsplus-tools JoseJX ported from Darwin the tools for creating and checking this filesystems (HFS+, HFSX) are basicly present, but they don't work with gentoo's init scripts yet, so filesystem checks on boot will fail because of wrong syntax.
and they are not this well testet, some times I still needed the disk utility of OSX to get the partition writable again.. :?

greetings and have fun,
Cenrim, who hasn't bootet OS X in.. at least 2 month ^^
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I wasn't going to use hfs+ for linux but in the gude I saw (for dual booting) said not to try to use diskutility for this just to make it hfs+, delete it and use mac-fdisk later. but this brings up a good point. what linux filesystems play nice with osx? I like reiser but I hear thats a bad idea on ppc.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EXT3 is a very good choice...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so mac osx can read and write ext3? like it comes up in finder?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I've gone ahead and installed on a ext3 partition but now I find support for ext3 in tiger is read only and buggy. :( does my powerbook have a bios battery like my desktop? if the battery is removed when it's not connected to ac power it resets the boot device and just loads osx yaboot never comes up. I think it has an ati mach64 can I accelerate this? I don't need that much but I don't think doom & snes9x are to much to ask for this thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a separate home partition for linux and for osx. The osx "/Users" partition is HFS+ without journalling, and I can mount it on linux. It's a way for having access to data on both platforms, and since I rarely use osx, it's sufficient for my needs. I've described my setup in more detail before, just search the PPC forum.

Edit: ok, searched it for you. Last post here.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnson_steve wrote:
but I hear that I'm suposed to have linux on the first partition and osx on the second. is this the case? or can I install gentoo on this second (according to disk utility) partition. do I need to instal the 'bootsrap' partition or is it allready installed as it boots into osx fine.


I've read this somewhere, too, but it's not true - at least not with my machine. I have yaboot installed in partition 4, swap is partition 5 and my linux root partition is 6. It dual boots fine. I don't know why some places say the linux partition must be first - perhaps there was such an openfirmware or yaboot limitation at one time, but it certainly doesn't apply to my iMac G5.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For access to both Tiger and Linux, I find it easier to boot into Linux, run mol, or simply mount the hfs+ partition with 'mount -t hfsplus /dev/hXXX /mountpoint' and not run OS X at all. As long as all that I want is access to files. For audio or video, boot into OS X.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note that with mol you'll have two systems with different ip's. That means that you can easily share files between linux and osx by having an afp, nfs, or smb (or whatever??) server running on your linux system. I have the best experience with the atalk daemon since I got some lost connections with nfs.

Another thing: I can also say that the statement that linux should be on the first partition is irrelevant. I have my drive partitioned like yours.
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