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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: [SOLVED] Slow install Reply with quote

Aloha !


Just for " the heck of it" I decided to install Gentoo 2006.1 on my G3.
I've seen more people doing this so I should be able to as well...

One things trikes me as weird thow.
I did, or rather I'm doing, a stage-3 PPC install and all went swiftly.
I rebooted, could log into my iMac go to my network etc and thus my system was almost ready.

Then I got the jazz... I wanted a GUI as well... Innie minnie minie mo -> KDE.

I did the well known "Emerge kde" and away it went...

Piece of /var/log/emerge.log :

Code:
1171102271: Started emerge on: Feb 10, 2007 11:11:11
1171102271: *** emerge kde
1171102288: >>> emerge (1 of 101) dev-libs/cyrus-sasl-2.1.22-r1 to /


It now is Feb 12th !!! (TWO DAYS LATER) and it is at : 60 of 101 kde-base/kdepim-3.5.5r2


What the [BLEEP] is wrong with the speed ?
Did I miss something here ?

Code:
iMac # cat /proc/cpuinfo

processor       : 0
cpu             : 740/750
clock           : 233.333331MHz
revision        : 2.2 (pvr 0008 0202)
bogomips        : 33.15
timebase        : 16665383
platform        : PowerMac
machine         : iMac,1
motherboard     : iMac MacRISC Power Macintosh
detected as     : 79 (Unknown Paddington-based)
pmac flags      : 00000000
L2 cache        : 512K unified
pmac-generation : NewWorld


Code:
iMac # cat /proc/meminfo

MemTotal:        60436 kB
MemFree:          1232 kB
Buffers:            76 kB
Cached:           4980 kB
SwapCached:      43280 kB
Active:          43992 kB
Inactive:         8968 kB
HighTotal:           0 kB
HighFree:            0 kB
LowTotal:        60436 kB
LowFree:          1232 kB
SwapTotal:      524280 kB
SwapFree:       317456 kB
Dirty:               0 kB
Writeback:         356 kB
AnonPages:       44492 kB
Mapped:           3744 kB
Slab:             4272 kB
PageTables:        816 kB
NFS_Unstable:        0 kB
Bounce:              0 kB
CommitLimit:    554496 kB
Committed_AS:   222920 kB
VmallocTotal:   924256 kB
VmallocUsed:      9588 kB
VmallocChunk:   914012 kB


Now I know these are not the special-DeLuxe-heavy-system-specs,
but I once installed Gentoo (STAGE 1) on a Laptop with 64 Mb and 200Mhz P1 processor and that was faster then this.
So that is why I think I did something wrong ?




Greeeeeeets,


Jessy The old-machine-torturer...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heh... Don't really know what to say...
Welcome back to gentoo!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: emerge --info Reply with quote

Ho ho ho !


Thank you for welcoming me back... Bin a while since I posted.
But I run 3 other computers with Gentoo and so far I had no probs I couldn't fix by just searching...

Ok here goes :

Code:
Gentoo Base System version 1.12.1
Portage 2.1.1-r2 (default-linux/ppc/ppc32/2006.1/G3, gcc-4.1.1, glibc-2.4-r3, 2.6.18-gentoo-r3 ppc)
=================================================================
System uname: 2.6.18-gentoo-r3 ppc 740/750
Last Sync: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:00:01 +0000
app-admin/eselect-compiler: [Not Present]
dev-java/java-config: [Not Present]
dev-lang/python:     2.4.3-r1
dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5
dev-util/ccache:     [Not Present]
dev-util/confcache:  [Not Present]
sys-apps/sandbox:    1.2.17
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.61
sys-devel/automake:  1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10
sys-devel/binutils:  2.16.1-r3
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.13-r3
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.22
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.11-r4
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="ppc"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CBUILD="powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-O2 -mcpu=powerpc -mtune=powerpc -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe"
CHOST="powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/share/X11/xkb /usr/share/config"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/env.d /etc/gconf /etc/terminfo"
CXXFLAGS="-O2 -mcpu=powerpc -mtune=powerpc -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES="autoconfig distlocks metadata-transfer sandbox sfperms strict"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/os/linux/gentoo ftp://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/os/linux/gentoo "
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --delete-after --stats --timeout=180 --exclude='/distfiles' --exclude='/local' --exclude='/packages'"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE="ppc X alsa alsa_cards_aoa alsa_cards_aoa-fabric-layout alsa_cards_aoa-onyx alsa_cards_aoa-soundbus alsa_cards_aoa-soundbus-i2s alsa_cards_aoa-tas alsa_cards_aoa-toonie alsa_cards_powermac alsa_cards_usb-audio alsa_cards_via82xx alsa_pcm_plugins_adpcm alsa_pcm_plugins_alaw alsa_pcm_plugins_asym alsa_pcm_plugins_copy alsa_pcm_plugins_dmix alsa_pcm_plugins_dshare alsa_pcm_plugins_dsnoop alsa_pcm_plugins_empty alsa_pcm_plugins_extplug alsa_pcm_plugins_file alsa_pcm_plugins_hooks alsa_pcm_plugins_iec958 alsa_pcm_plugins_ioplug alsa_pcm_plugins_ladspa alsa_pcm_plugins_lfloat alsa_pcm_plugins_linear alsa_pcm_plugins_meter alsa_pcm_plugins_mulaw alsa_pcm_plugins_multi alsa_pcm_plugins_null alsa_pcm_plugins_plug alsa_pcm_plugins_rate alsa_pcm_plugins_route alsa_pcm_plugins_share alsa_pcm_plugins_shm alsa_pcm_plugins_softvol apache2 arts berkdb bitmap-fonts bonobo cdr cli cracklib crypt cups dlloader dri dvd eds elibc_glibc emboss encode esd evolution firefox fortran gdbm gif gpm gstreamer gtk gtkhtml iconv input_devices_evdev input_devices_keyboard input_devices_mouse ipv6 isdnlog jpeg kde kernel_linux lcd_devices_bayrad lcd_devices_cfontz lcd_devices_cfontz633 lcd_devices_glk lcd_devices_hd44780 lcd_devices_lb216 lcd_devices_lcdm001 lcd_devices_mtxorb lcd_devices_ncurses lcd_devices_text ldap libg++ libwww mad midi mikmod mozilla mp3 mpeg ncurses nls nptl nptlonly ogg opengl pam pcre pdf perl png pppd python qt3 qt4 quicktime readline reflection ruby sdl session spell spl ssl tcpd truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts udev unicode userland_GNU video_cards_ati video_cards_chips video_cards_dummy video_cards_fbdev video_cards_glint video_cards_imstt video_cards_mga video_cards_nv video_cards_s3 video_cards_s3virge video_cards_savage video_cards_sisusb video_cards_tdfx video_cards_trident video_cards_v4l video_cards_voodoo vorbis xml xorg xv zlib"
Unset:  CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, INSTALL_MASK, LANG, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS, LINGUAS, MAKEOPTS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY


BTW, when I come to think about the laptop, I think I used DISTCCD ?



Greets,


Jessy


NB: Sorry for the weird subject, I realize now one can't search for that...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:54 pm    Post subject: Extra info Reply with quote

Ho ho ho !


Just found this post : https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-494895-highlight-soapc+cpp.html

The guy says :

Code:
soapC.cpp:14663: warning: unused parameter 'type'
soapC.cpp:14663: warning: unused parameter 'arrayType'
soapC.cpp:14683: warning: unused parameter 'soap'
soapC.cpp:14683: warning: unused parameter 'st'
soapC.cpp:14683: warning: unused parameter 'tt'
soapC.cpp:14683: warning: unused parameter 'n'
*
*
*
//tlaalalala a few lines like that tralalalal//
*
*
*
soapC.cpp:14663: warning: unused parameter 'type'
soapC.cpp:14663: warning: unused parameter 'arrayType'
soapC.cpp:14683: warning: unused parameter 'soap'
soapC.cpp:14683: warning: unused parameter 'st'
soapC.cpp:14683: warning: unused parameter 'tt'
soapC.cpp:14683: warning: unused parameter 'n'


They talk about 2-4 hours of processing time on normal computer with like 512Mb internal memory.

Only difference, they say the compiler eats up like 90% of the memory.
When I look with " top", the G3 is, with 3,1 % CPU-usage, eating out its nose
and the amount of memory used is 50-55 %


Still, I'm SCARED !!!
How long will this take on a computer with 64 Mb and 512Mb swapspace ???

Is there a way to install a part of KDE, I mean, just the standard enviroment ?

Also, is there a way to monitor the progress ? That is something I REALLY REALLY REALLY miss in Gentoo.
You emerge and then..... well cross your fingers... Not progress bar :-(



Greets !


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

:D

Welcome to the world of slow Gentoo systems =P

I installed stage1 Gentoo install on my old firewall comp running 266MHz P2 with 64MB of SDRAM, complete with desktop environment and all. (was testing desktop use at the time before I converted my main system into linux) In the end installation took about 7 days, about 4 of them the stage1 installation and rest for desktop environment (kde I think) including lost hours when it was waiting my input while I was sleeping or in school. Needless to say after running that system as firewall for year and a half without any upgrade and total system brake down due to me starting to upgrade it (old and already removed profile was in use) I opted for hardware upgrade and have firewall running on C3 based Epia now, though with pfSense instead of Gentoo this time. Installing gentoo on old and slow systems take lot of patience and time, and I would have chose something else than KDE for machine with less than 256MB RAM.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really not surprised, you're compiling all of KDE in 64MB :p I'm sure it's constantly swapping.

To be honest, I'd probably just reinstall, but this time go with something more reasonable for a slower machine without much memory, like xfce4 or even better simply just a minimal WM like fluxbox. I run fluxbox on my 8500/180 with no problems. (And certainly not multi-day compiles ;) )
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont see anything wrong on that machine taking a week to compile kde.

If you really want kde, you should restart the installation with split ebuilds. Just emerge kdebase-startkde. Though I would seriously consider installing anything lighter. {flux,black,open}box are good candidates. Fvwm is even a better one, but only if you like to write config files by hand (though you could use someone else's config). There are a ton of other wm's out there. And there is also xfce4.

I am not surprised at all about the time you have invested, and I will not be surprised if it takes 4 or 5 days more. 64 megabytes is not enough for massive compilation, like kde or openoffice. It is not good for your hard drive either. Bear in mind that if each time you need to install or upgrade a big thing like kde your hd is going to be permanently active during a week, it will not last long.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Still going strong... Reply with quote

Ho ho ho !


It is not feb 13th 2007 and the iMac is still going strong.

KDE a wrong choice. I agree, I should of used flux or something like thant indeed.
But as you can see in my 1st post, I didn't really think about it. I just randomly picked KDE.
Next time (will there ba a next time, I doubt it) I'll use a less heavy env.

As for HD wear'n'tear... With the modern HD's (this one is from 2002) that is not really an issue anymore. These things are build to last.
The biggest problem is free space on the darn thing.
I only have 4 Gb and it is already taking up 73% of it all.
After compilig I'll empty the /usr/portage/distfiles dir and see if I can get some extra...

Anyway, thankx for you comments. I see now I need A LOT of patiente with this machine.
It is still going...

Now it is at : 73 of 101 : and it ain't finisched yet....

BTW, My record of installing time is just under a MONTH !!!!
A 386 with 48 Megs of Ram and 1.6 GB Hd.
Stage ONE ! install...
Took me already a couple of days to get the bloody kernal compiled.
But hey, That was waaaaaaaaaaaay back when I still had to learn...
Later I installed Debian on the same computer, took me 15 minutes :D
Well ok, not fair with precompiled packages :-\


Thanx guys !!!



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Finished ! Reply with quote

Wowwwwwwwwwwwwww.......


This morning on feb 15th I saw the last package to be installed.
After work I decided to test it and got REALLY disappointed.
These Mac's never seize to amaze me with how slow these things work...

The splashscreen alone tookup a couple of minutes !

I have uninstalled it and entered :

Code:
emerge fluxbox


That was 84 builds and finished before I went to bed ! (I'll test it later...)



Greeeeeeeeeeeets,


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you put 512Mb of ram in it, it would be a whole lot more usable. :p I'm sure if you tried the current builds on that p200 it would be just as slow. With modern kernels, swap has gotten a bit slower, at least in my experience. You just chose the wrong package for that machine :p
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Slow, Slower, Mac Reply with quote

JoseJX wrote:
If you put 512Mb of ram in it, it would be a whole lot more usable. :p I'm sure if you tried the current builds on that p200 it would be just as slow. With modern kernels, swap has gotten a bit slower, at least in my experience. You just chose the wrong package for that machine :p


Yub absolutely right !

But as you can read at the beginning of the post : I just installed it more or less randomly. Just to see if it would work.
I had tried some other distro's and they all chocke in the installation process.
At least Gentoo pulled it off...

I think I'll stop torturing it any further and swith back to OS 9.22
That runs like a acharm on it :D


Thanks for the tips thow, I just keep learning every time :D




Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeets,



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