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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:17 am    Post subject: Is "Gentoo on PPC" a Good Hobby? Reply with quote

Hey, I'm looking for a good hobby to amuse me during my downtime. I'm currently eye-balling this machine:

http://www.megamacs.com/v1/index.php?cat=10006&find_only=&action=view&pid=3590404

Any comments on getting Gentoo Linux PPC to work on this thing? I'm tired of x86-64 and want to see if I can make PPC be as functional.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using a G4 mini as file/java server for 18 months now without any issues (that I couldn't fix easily).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I installed Gentoo on a 333MHz G3 laptop last week, install has been perfect so far. That is probably my only problem with it, it worked too easily so I don't have the fun of fixing errors :P
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here i support wallstreet/lombard/pismo/aluminium for an university project
(my machine is a pismo G4, other people in my team are equipped with wallstreet, lombard, aluminium ... no one is equipped with and ibook, and i'm not able to exaplain the reason why : P )

issues with the last ebuilds, i mean: the last version of {vlc-0.8.6c, qemu-0.9.0} have issues
(the last version of openoffice, the 2.3, is issue-less: great !)

issues with the pcmcia 16bit on aluminium, while no problem with other machines
and everythingelse i installed (*) is working good !








(*) wrote:

About what has been installed

(*) net-dialup-minicom/2.2-r1
Serial Communication Program

(*) sys-libs-gpm/1.20.1-r5
Console-based mouse driver

(*) media-sound-alsa-utils/1.0.14
Advanced gentoo Sound Architecture Utils (alsactl, alsamixer, etc.)

(*) games-emulation-dosbox/0.72
DOS emulator

(*) x11-wm-windowmaker/0.92.0-r3
The fast and light GNUstep window manager

(*) dev-libs-openssl/0.9.8f
Toolkit for SSL v2/v3 and TLS v1

(*) sys-fs-udev/115-r1
gentoo dynamic and persistent device naming support (aka userspace devfs)

(*) sys-libs-db/4.3.29-r2
Berkeley DB

(*) sys-libs-db/4.5.20_p2
Oracle Berkeley DB

(*) x11-misc-xdialog/2.2.1-r1
drop-in replacement for cdialog using GTK

(*) sys-apps-usermode-utilities/20060323
Tools for use with Usermode gentoo virtual machines

(*) app-office-scribus/1.3.3.9
Desktop Publishing (DTP) and Layout program for gentoo.

(*) sys-apps-pciutils/2.2.4-r3
Various utilities dealing with the PCI bus

(*) app-office-abiword/2.4.6
Fully featured yet light and fast cross platform word processor

(*) net-misc-vnc/4.1.2-r3
Remote desktop viewer display system

(*) virtual-cblas/1.0
Virtual for BLAS C implementation

(*) app-text-pdftk/1.12
A tool for manipulating PDF documents

(*) net-im-skype/1.4.0.99
A P2P-VoiceIP client.

(*) sci-libs-lapack-reference/3.1.0
FORTRAN reference implementation of LAPACK Linear Algebra PACKage

(*) virtual-jdk/1.4.2
Virtual for JDK

(*) virtual-jdk/1.5.0
Virtual for JDK

(*) gnome-extra-libgail-gnome/1.18.0
Gail libraries for GNOME

(*) app-cdr-cdrtools/2.01.01_alpha25
A set of tools for CD/DVD reading and recording, including cdrecord

(*) x11-wm-fluxbox/1.0_rc3_p4983
Fluxbox is an X11 window manager featuring tabs and an iconbar

(*) net-ftp-lftp/3.5.10
A sophisticated ftp/sftp/http/https client and file transfer program

(*) app-misc-mc/4.6.1-r3
GNU Midnight Commander cli-based file manager

(*) sys-devel-gcc/3.4.6-r2
The GNU Compiler Collection. Includes C/C++, java compilers, pie+ssp extensions, Haj Ten Brugge runtime bounds checking

(*) sys-devel-gcc/4.1.2
The GNU Compiler Collection. Includes C/C++, java compilers, pie+ssp extensions, Haj Ten Brugge runtime bounds checking

(*) sys-devel-gcc/config-1.3.16
Utility to change the gcc compiler being used

(*) media-sound-mpg321/0.2.10-r2
Free MP3 player, drop-in replacement for mpg123

(*) media-libs-libpng/1.2.21-r3
Portable Network Graphics library

(*) sci-electronics-qucs/0.0.12
Quite Universal Circuit Simulator is a Qt based circuit simulator

(*) media-sound-mpg123/0.65
Real Time mp3 player

(*) dev-lang-R/2.2.1
R is GNU S - A language and environment for statistical computing and graphics.

(*) x11-libs-gtk+/2.10.14
Gimp ToolKit +

(*) app-emulation-qemu/0.8.0
qemu emulator and abi wrapper meta ebuild

(*) app-emulation-qemu/softmmu-0.8.0
Multi-platform & multi-targets cpu emulator and dynamic translator

(*) app-emulation-qemu/user-0.8.0
Multi-platform & multi-targets cpu emulator and dynamic translator

(*) net-misc-vde/2.1.6
vde2 is a virtual distributed ethernet emulator for emulators like qemu, bochs, and uml.

(*) media-sound-lame/3.97-r1
LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder

(*) sci-mathematics-octave-forge/2006.03.17
A collection of custom scripts, functions and extensions for GNU Octave

(*) sys-boot-yaboot/1.3.14_pre1
PPC Bootloader

(*) x11-terms-wterm/6.2.9-r2
A fork of rxvt patched for fast transparency and a NeXT scrollbar

(*) sys-apps-xinetd/2.3.14
powerful replacement for inetd

(*) virtual-blas/1.0
Virtual for FORTRAN 77 BLAS implementation

(*) sys-fs-mac-fdisk/0.1-r6
Mac/PowerMac disk partitioning utility

(*) x11-terms-aterm/1.0.0-r1
A terminal emulator with transparency support as well as rxvt backwards compatibility

(*) media-libs-pdflib/7.0.2
A library for generating PDF on the fly.

(*) net-ftp-tftp-hpa/0.48
port of the OpenBSD TFTP server

(*) media-gfx-gimp/2.2.17
GNU Image Manipulation Program

(*) sci-electronics-freehdl/0.0.4
A free VHDL simulator.

(*) x11-misc-xdaliclock/2.23
Dali Clock is a digital clock. When a digit changes, it melts into its new shape.

(*) dev-util-cvs/1.12.12-r4
Concurrent Versions System - source code revision control tools

(*) app-misc-pax-utils/0.1.16
Various ELF related utils for ELF32, ELF64 binaries useful tools that can check files for security relevant properties

(*) app-portage-gentoolkit-dev/0.2.6.2
Collection of developer scripts for Gentoo

(*) sys-libs-glibc/2.6.1
GNU libc6 (also called glibc2) C library

(*) app-admin-gtkdiskfree/1.9.3-r1
Graphical tool to show free disk space

(*) dev-libs-expat/2.0.1
XML parsing libraries

(*) media-sound-aumix/2.8-r4
Aumix volume/mixer control program

(*) net-dialup-gtkterm/0.99.5-r1
A serial port terminal written in GTK+, similar to Windows' HyperTerminal.

(*) app-laptop-gtkpbbuttons/0.6.10
On screen display client for pbbuttonsd

(*) media-video-vlc/0.8.6c
VLC media player - Video player and streamer

(*) app-text-xpdf/3.01-r8
An X Viewer for PDF Files

(*) media-sound-sox/12.17.9
The swiss army knife of sound processing programs

(*) www-client-links/2.1_pre28-r1
links is a fast lightweight text and graphic web-browser

(*) app-accessibility-sphinx3/0.6.3
CMU Speech Recognition engine

(*) media-gfx-feh/1.3.4
A fast, lightweight imageviewer using imlib2

(*) mail-client-sylpheed/2.4.5
A lightweight email client and newsreader

(*) media-video-mplayer/1.0_rc1_p20070824
Media Player for gentoo

(*) sci-mathematics-scilab/4.1
Scientific software package for numerical computations (Matlab lookalike)

(*) media-sound-madplay/0.15.2b-r1
The MAD audio player

(*) app-portage-eix/0.9.9
Small utility for searching ebuilds with indexing for fast results

(*) app-accessibility-festival/1.95_beta-r4
Festival Text to Speech engine

(*) x11-base-xorg-x11/7.2
An X11 implementation maintained by the X.Org Foundation (meta package)

(*) sci-libs-blas-atlas/3.7.11-r1
Automatically Tuned Linear Algebra Software BLAS implementation

(*) sys-apps-setserial/2.17-r3
Configure your serial ports with it

(*) net-misc-bridge-utils/1.2
Tools for configuring the gentoo kernel 802.1d Ethernet Bridge

(*) app-portage-ufed/0.40-r6
Gentoo gentoo USE flags editor

(*) x11-terms-xterm/229
Terminal Emulator for X Windows

(*) net-analyzer-netcat/110-r8
the network swiss army knife

(*) x11-terms-multi-aterm/0.2.1
A terminal emulator with transparency support as well as rxvt backwards compatibility like aterm, with tab support

(*) media-sound-gnome-alsamixer/0.9.6
Gnome based ALSA Mixer

(*) x11-libs-qt/3.3.8-r4
The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++ application development framework.

(*) x11-libs-qt/4.3.1-r1
The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++ application development framework.

(*) app-admin-sudo/1.6.8_p12-r1
Allows users or groups to run commands as other users

(*) x11-wm-twm/1.0.3
X.Org twm application

(*) app-editors-nedit/5.5
multi-purpose text editor for the X Window System

(*) net-misc-rdate/1.4-r3
use TCP or UDP to retrieve the current time of another machine

(*) net-firewall-iptables/1.3.8-r1
gentoo kernel (2.4+) firewall, NAT and packet mangling tools

(*) sci-mathematics-octave/2.1.73
GNU Octave is a high-level language (MatLab compatible) intended for numerical computations

(*) sci-mathematics-octave/forge-2006.03.17
A collection of custom scripts, functions and extensions for GNU Octave

(*) sci-visualization-gnuplot/4.2.2
Command-line driven interactive plotting program

(*) media-gfx-imagemagick/6.3.5.10
A collection of tools and libraries for many image formats

(*) dev-util-git/1.5.2.5
GIT - the stupid content tracker, the revision control system heavily used by the gentoo kernel team

(*) net-analyzer-ettercap/0.7.3-r2
A suite for man in the middle attacks and network mapping

(*) net-im-amsn/0.97_rc1
Alvaro's Messenger client for MSN

(*) sys-libs-ncurses/5.6-r1
console display library

(*) media-sound-gqmpeg/0.91.1
front end to various audio players, including mpg123

(*) media-sound-cdparanoia/3.9.8-r5
an advanced CDDA reader with error correction

(*) net-misc-netkit-telnetd/0.17-r6
Standard gentoo telnet client and server

(*) sys-process-lsof/4.78
Lists open files for running Unix processes

(*) app-editors-hexedit/1.2.12
View and edit files in hex or ASCII

(*) www-client-mozilla-firefox/2.0.0.8
Firefox Web Browser

(*) app-laptop-pbbuttonsd/0.8.1-r1
Handles power management and special keys on laptops.

(*) sys-apps-pcmcia-cs/3.2.8-r2
PCMCIA tools for gentoo

(*) media-sound-moc/2.4.1
Music On Console - ncurses interface for playing audio files

(*) x11-misc-Xorgautoconfig/0.2.4-r1
Xorgautconfig generates xorg.conf files for PPC based computers.

(*) app-office-openoffice/2.3.0
OpenOffice.org, a full office productivity suite.

(*) app-portage-gentoolkit/0.2.3-r1
Collection of administration scripts for Gentoo

(*) app-portage-gentoolkit/dev-0.2.6.2
Collection of developer scripts for Gentoo

(*) x11-libs-wxGTK/2.6.3.3
GTK+ version of wxWidgets, a cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit and wxbase non-gui library

(*) net-irc-xchat/2.8.4-r2
Graphical IRC client

(*) sys-libs-timezone-data/2007g
Timezone data (/usr/share/zoneinfo) and utilities (tzselect/zic/zdump)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark_alec wrote:
I installed Gentoo on a 333MHz G3 laptop last week, install has been perfect so far. That is probably my only problem with it, it worked too easily so I don't have the fun of fixing errors :P


++

same here, i´m very happy with my G4 alubook, install was completely painless.
But keep in mind that there are things that won´t work ( accurately or at all) on ppc ( flash or some modules like kqemu that i remember now).

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently did just that. The only thing that I would suggest would be to do some shopping on ebay first. The laptop in the link is a G3 (three generations old). It is true that ppc hardware when compared with the same speed x86 tend to be faster, however you can only get soo much with a G3. I recently (about 4 weeks ago now) bought a G4 1Ghz 256mb 30Gig, off of ebay for $400. You can get even better deals if you watch for them...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been running Gentoo on my PowerMac G4 Dual 500 since July, and it runs beautifully. Everything compiles without a hitch, updates are smooth, and it boots and runs super fast. Kernel compiles are a piece of cake with 'make pmac32_defconfig', and I've even compiled the latest git version of Linux 2.6.24. If you can get through the installation on PPC (no fancy installer), it truly is a sight to behold once configured and running. 8)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone see any possible issues with the system (G3) that I linked to in the opening post?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Does anyone see any possible issues with the system (G3) that I linked to in the opening post?


Well, $350 for a G3 is a bit much. You can find deals on eBay for similarly priced 1GHz G4 iBooks, and you will get substantially more performance out of it.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is running ~ppc less stable than ~x86?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Is running ~ppc less stable than ~x86?


i think it is:
the ~ppc is less stable than ~x86
the ~hppa is less stable then ~ppc
the ~mips is less stable than ~hppa

i mean: ~x86 > ~ppc > ~hppa > ~mips

(here i have to work with x86,ppc,hppa,mips, so i can compare them)

however, the apps-list posted here is composed by ppc and ~ppc
and i can assure you i'm working hard with everything i emerged: no issues in this list


if you want to emerge something in this apps-list: be sure it will work great

(vlc and qemu-0.9 still having issue: be informed)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using gentoo on a Powermac G4 with a Sonnet CPU upgrade at 1333 GHz without any problems (apart from the occasional gentoo troubles one sometimes has to deal with). The system is reasonably fast despite its somewhat meager 256MB of RAM, and runs more stable than many x86 systems I have used, I can't remember ever having a hardlock that was not causes by defective hardware...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say that you want at least a G4 though, unless you are building a machine you don't intend to use graphically. I would expect you'd be able to get one for about the same money.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience G3s can run graphical desktop environments so long as they are light weight. KDE is out of consideration, and Gnome is sluggish. XFCE4, enlightenment, fluxbox, and Etoile have all worked well for me, however. Helps to have a good amount of RAM, which may not be an option with a clamshell.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But what is the non-deal if I have a (flashed) nvidia graphics card on my pmac? Is still a good idea to install gentoo? I use it for LaTeX, mathematica, battle for wesnoth, mail, film...

Stuff like these..

Currently I am running gentoo on my ibook and after some (3-4) kernel compilation, is now working ok..
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ulissesroc wrote:
But what is the non-deal if I have a (flashed) nvidia graphics card on my pmac? Is still a good idea to install gentoo? I use it for LaTeX, mathematica, battle for wesnoth, mail, film...

Stuff like these..
As long as you not require 3d acceleration, there should be no problem with using an nvidia card.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddc wrote:
i mean: ~x86 > ~ppc > ~hppa > ~mips


Speaking of which, it looks like Sparc is getting more love than PPC nowadays. Apparently Adobe is developing a Sparc Linux Flash plugin over a PPC Linux Flash plugin. Furthermore, ubuntu only offers three offical download options for their isos: X86, X86 64bit, and Sparc. I wonder if the PS3 will keep interest in PPC linux high enough for the mean time?

Also, I wonder if consumer grade sparc computers exist....? :D Oh the excitement!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from 2.6.12 to 2.6.23
aty128fb and radeonfb have issues on these powerbooks-ppc:

the powerbook G3 pismo has ati r128, so aty128fb conflicts with x11-video-ati (mplayer has issues)
the powerbook G4 aluminium has radeon m9600, so radeonfb has the "plasma issue"


let me know about ibooks, and in case ideas to fix issues
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you be a bit more specific about the r128 issues? I haven't heard anyone complain about that yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX wrote:
Can you be a bit more specific about the r128 issues? I haven't heard anyone complain about that yet.


i wander if aty128fb conflict with x11-video-ati-driver
facts: mplayer, vlc has issues and instabilities

i can be sure about it, cause i've installe the same user land both on lombard and on pismo
on lombard i recompiled (x11-video-ati-driver) for mach64: no problem or instabilities for vlc/mplayer
on pismo issues ... instabilities, the background changes color ... and other bad things happens

on aluminium there is the plasma effect, but mplayer/vlc are working great

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who is using pismo ? could i speak with him/her ? i'd like to compare the config/user land directly
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