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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:53 pm    Post subject: Flash on ppc (and again) Reply with quote

Hi folks,

Recently I introduced my dad to the Gentoo world. He had an old powermac g4 whose software was REALLY outdated and he needed a base to work so instead of buying a new PC i told him gentoo would support his needs.

As everybody who have Linux@Powerpc, one of the problemas happens to be related to flash. The problem is: The flash he needs isn't only for videos (youtube and so on) but the sites he visits frequently to work contain flash parts. I tried gnash: Nothing worked. Moved to swfdec: Too slow and youtube just crashes.

I read somewhere that Adobe Flash Player could be installed with ndispluginwrapper. Is it true? Does it work?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope ... Adobe's flash is an x86 binary the only possible what to make it work is to use an emulator like QEMU and run it. I'veheard of this being done, but the performace hit just doesn't make this at all reliable.

On the good news, Gnash is getting better quickly!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortenately for me, gnash simply refused to work :(
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adobe continuously refuses to support any non-x86 architecture. That's the only supported arch (well, and by extension amd64, which can run x86 code as well).

But they are not the ones to blame, after all, it's their product and each one has the right to produce whatever s/he wants. The ones that deserve the "merith" for the current situation are web programmers and web users, which continuously produce and use flash stuff. If we used open standards on the internet, then we'd not be tied to the desires of an enterprise like adobe.

I just avoid flash like the plague when I don't need it. And when I am on the mood, I send mails the the webmasters of the sites I use telling them how the use of flash is an impediment for a lot of users. In my opinion, every site using flash or any other closed stuff, should offer a plain html alternative that can be used by everyone.

Yes, I know this is not a solution... The only one I know is to use qemu or any other virtualizator that can run as an x86 machine, as suggested above.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you own a copy of OSX, you can also install it in the mac-on-linux use this to play flash (should be WAY faster than a x86 emulation via qemu).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyHairy wrote:
If you own a copy of OSX, you can also install it in the mac-on-linux use this to play flash (should be WAY faster than a x86 emulation via qemu).


yes, but mol is broken with recent kernels, it doesn´t work with any kernel >2.6.22 afaik.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, kinda broken (I'm using it on 2.6.23 something). You need to add an additional include to the kernel module (a patch for this exists on the gentoo tracker). In addition, mol requires a kernel call which is not exported anymore, so you must add a line to your kernel and recompile to export this again (instructions can be found on the mol tracker). With these changes it works like a charm for me. I must admit I was short of time and therefore didn't bother to write an ebuild for this when I solved the problem for myself, but if anyone requests it, I can write a shiny new ebuild and attach it to a then newly opened bug on the gentoo tracker ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With these changes it works like a charm for me


yup, i´m aware of the changes made in the kernel, but it isn´t stable at all for me.
My workaround for now is just running good & ol´ 2.6.22 when i need mol ( not that i need it that much).

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using Gnash, I got most Flash on the web to work. It's nowhere consistent in what will work and what won't, though. YouTube works for a lot of videos, some however just display the upper half or the upper left quarter. Most banners work, a lot of Flash games work.

This is a Quad G5, however, and it hovers around 150% CPU when playing YouTube, so on a G4 you might be out of luck...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

haven´t had much time to test but i get a glibc segfault when trying to run any v8 flash animations with ffmpeg enabled. Without ffmpeg, no animation works ( as expected i guess).
I´m using the gnash overlay and it apparently works much better with v7 flash animations as with previous versions. Kudos to the gnash devs !

edit : here the output, in case anyone knows wth is going on :

Code:
Child process exited with status 15
plugin instance destruction
shutting down input chan 0x108f9d10
Shutting down
Child process exited with status 6
plugin instance destruction
shutting down input chan 0x10d90080
xEmbed supported in this browser
GTK2 supported in this browser
NewStream: The full URL is http://youtube.com/player2.swf
Closed 46 files.
Starting process: /usr/bin/gtk-gnash -x 6298952 -j 480 -k 395 -u http://youtube.com/player2.swf -F 51 -U http://youtube.com/watch?v=ONqgaVU_XPk&feature=dir -P allowfullscreen=true -P bgcolor=#FFFFFF -P flashvars=BASE_YT_URL=http://youtube.com/&vq=null&video_id=ONqgaVU_XPk&l=140&sk=vrdWBNlbcIKjw1-7Q88VyQC&fmt_map=&t=OEgsToPDskJgInDmWJgsU6G8npvffHXJ&hl=en&plid=AARIuzr9RbrQ5dzfAAAAoAAoQAA&sdetail=f%3Adir%2C&playnext=0 -P height=395 -P id=movie_player -P name=movie_player -P quality=high -P src=/player2.swf -P style= -P type=application/x-shockwave-flash -P width=480 -
Forked successfully, child process PID is 3263
NewStream: The full URL is http://youtube.com/version-check.swf
Closed 47 files.
Starting process: /usr/bin/gtk-gnash -x 0 -j 0 -k 0 -u http://youtube.com/version-check.swf -F 52 -U http://youtube.com/watch?v=ONqgaVU_XPk&feature=dir -P bgcolor=#FFFFFF -P height=0 -P id=checker -P name=checker -P quality=high -P src=/version-check.swf -P style= -P type=application/x-shockwave-flash -P width=0 -
Forked successfully, child process PID is 3264
[swscaler @ 0xe44409c]ALTIVEC: Color Space RGB24
*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/gtk-gnash: double free or corruption (out): 0x4a574a28 ***
======= Backtrace: =========
/lib/libc.so.6[0xef1e55c]
/lib/libc.so.6(cfree+0xc8)[0xef207e4]
/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.2.3/libstdc++.so.6(_ZdlPv+0x2c)[0xf1b930c]
/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu/4.2.3/libstdc++.so.6(_ZdaPv+0x24)[0xf1b9384]
/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashserver-cvs.so(_ZN5gnash15NetStreamFfmpeg11decodeVideoEP8AVPacket+0x6b4)[0xfd9e540]
/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashserver-cvs.so(_ZN5gnash15NetStreamFfmpeg14decodeFLVFrameEv+0x190)[0xfd9fde8]
/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashserver-cvs.so(_ZN5gnash15NetStreamFfmpeg11av_streamerEPS0_+0x124)[0xfda01ac]
/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashserver-cvs.so[0xfda02f8]
/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashbase-cvs.so(_ZNK5boost9function0IvSaINS_13function_baseEEEclEv+0xcc)[0xfb12c54]
/usr/lib/gnash/libgnashbase-cvs.so[0xfb12804]
/lib/libpthread.so.0[0xf385a88]
/lib/libc.so.6(clone+0x84)[0xef800bc]
======= Memory map: ========
00100000-00103000 r-xp 00100000 00:00 0          [vdso]
0d51e000-0d5eb000 r-xp 00000000 03:05 409994     /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0
0d5eb000-0d5fb000 ---p 000cd000 03:05 409994     /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0
0d5fb000-0d5ff000 r--p 000cd000 03:05 409994     /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0
0d5ff000-0d602000 rw-p 000d1000 03:05 409994     /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0
0d612000-0d622000 r-xp 00000000 03:03 1855742    /lib/libresolv-2.7.so
0d622000-0d623000 r--p 00010000 03:03 1855742    /lib/libresolv-2.7.so
0d623000-0d624000 rw-p 00011000 03:03 1855742    /lib/libresolv-2.7.so


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recently installed swfdec 0.6.8 from here: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-702451.html
Used an overlay for it, then emerged swfdec-mozilla from the portage tree. This works on an Apple PB G4 Ti (400 Mhz) :-) for most of the usual websites that bury their content in flash. Things like youtuube still do not work properly, however.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, swfdec works quite well here now too, but it still has some serious performance and stability issues, specially if you try youtube and such sites.
It didn´t work for me earlier as you actually have to enable EXA acceleration to get it to work and i didn´t know that.

Will try out the ebuild you linked and see if that works any better.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gringo wrote:
you actually have to enable EXA acceleration t

What is that and how do I enable it (swfdec doesn't work for me on youtube, nor on any other site that uses two players embedded one in another)?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cjubon wrote:
gringo wrote:
you actually have to enable EXA acceleration t

What is that and how do I enable it (swfdec doesn't work for me on youtube, nor on any other site that uses two players embedded one in another)?
Thanks.


add to the device section in your xorg.conf :

Code:
Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"


otherwise XAA is enabled by default.
I´ve read somewhere that some drivers won´t work with EXA enabled. My powerbook ( with a radeon9600) works just fine.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the clarification, gringo! I thought I had to accelerate swfdec itself somehow...

Unfortunately EXA is not (yet) supported for rage128 cards, so I can't use it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cjubon wrote:
Unfortunately EXA is not (yet) supported for rage128 cards, so I can't use it.


Probably not ever.

I've got a Radeon 9200 Mac PCI card I'm not using anymore, so I could sell it. PM me if you're interested.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

|mattst88| wrote:
Probably not ever.

http://www.x.org/wiki/ExaStatus wrote:
Supported:
  • i128 (Solid and Copy only so far, incompatible with DGA, only tested on T2R4 cards)
  • radeon (r100/r200 with Render accel, r300 and r400 core-only. DGA 2d acceleration unsupported).
  • sis (sis/xgi; Solid and Copy only)
  • trident cyberblade and xp4 (Solid and Copy only)
  • via (Solid, Copy, Render)
  • savage (Solid, Copy, UTS)
  • mach64 (Solid, Copy, Render. DFS pending)
  • mga (Solid, Copy, UTS. Render pending)
  • siliconmotion (Solid, Copy. UTS pending)
  • i810/intel (Solid, Copy, Render)

Work in progress:
  • tdfx
  • s3virge (Copy only currently)
  • r128 Joseph Garvin SoC


Thanks for the offer, but what I have is a PowerBook, so no PCI slots available ;-)

But another question:
Since I changed my xorg.conf to make X use EXA, and then changed it back again, 3D accelaration doesn't work at all :-(.
glxgears used to show 470 and some fps before the change, now it's at 50-90. Xorg.log just says that "dri has been disabled" - no reason why. I re-installed xf86-video-ati, and double checked my configs with the Gentoo ATI FAQ and DRI-Howto, but no avail.

Can it be that EXA accelaration damaged the chip on the card? Or what else's going on?
Any help would be very appreciated :-)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since I changed my xorg.conf to make X use EXA, and then changed it back again, 3D accelaration doesn't work at all


8O sounds weird ... can we have a look to the X log and your conf file ?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cjubon wrote:
Since I changed my xorg.conf to make X use EXA, and then changed it back again, 3D accelaration doesn't work at all

gringo wrote:
can we have a look to the X log and your conf file

relevant parts of /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Code:
Section "Device"
        Driver      "r128"
        VendorName  "ATI Technologies Inc"
        BoardName   "Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x"
        BusID       "PCI:0:16:0"

        Option  "PanelWidth"    "1152"
        Option  "PanelHeight"   "768"
        Option  "UseFbdev"      "false"
EndSection

Section "dri"
    Mode 0666
EndSection

Section "Module"
        Load  "glx"
        Load  "extmod"
        Load  "xtrap"
        Load  "record"
        Load  "GLcore"
        Load  "dbe"
        Load  "dri"
        Load  "freetype"
        Load  "type1"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        ...
        Option      "dpms"
        HorizSync       30-50
        VertRefresh     50-75
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "Screen0"
        Device     "Card0"
        Monitor    "Monitor0"
        DefaultDepth 24

        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     16
                Modes "1152x768"
        EndSubSection

        SubSection "Display"
            Viewport 0 0
            Depth   24
            Modes "1152x768"
    EndSubSection
EndSection

relevant parts of /var/log/Xorg.log:
Code:
(--) PCI:*(0:16:0) ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x rev 2, Mem @ 0xb4000000/26, 0xb0000000/14, I/O @ 0x0400/8, BIOS @ 0xf1000000/17
...
II) LoadModule: "glx"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so
(II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
        ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(==) AIGLX enabled
(II) Loading extension GLX
...
(II) LoadModule: "dri"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so
(II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
        ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
...
(II) Module r128: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 4.1.0
        Module class: X.Org Video Driver
        ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
...
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:10:0
(--) Chipset ATI Rage 128 Mobility M3 LF (AGP) found
...
(II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call:
        [0] -1  0       0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
        [1] -1  0       0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
        [2] -1  0       0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
        [3] -1  0       0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
        [4] -1  0       0xf5200000 - 0xf53fffff (0x200000) MX[B]E
        [5] -1  0       0xf5000000 - 0xf51fffff (0x200000) MX[B]E
        [6] -1  0       0xa0001000 - 0xa0001fff (0x1000) MX[B]E
        [7] -1  0       0xa0002000 - 0xa0003fff (0x2000) MX[B]E
        [8] -1  0       0x80000000 - 0x8fffffff (0x10000000) MX[B]E
        [9] -1  0       0xf1000000 - 0xf101ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
        [10] -1 0       0xb0000000 - 0xb0003fff (0x4000) MX[B](B)
        [11] -1 0       0xb4000000 - 0xb7ffffff (0x4000000) MX[B](B)
        [12] -1 0       0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
        [13] -1 0       0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
        [14] -1 0       0xf0000400 - 0xf00004ff (0x100) IX[B](B)
(WW) ****INVALID IO ALLOCATION**** b: 0xf0000400 e: 0xf00004ff correcting^G
(EE) end of block range 0xefffffff < begin 0xf0000000
(II) window:
        [0] -1  0       0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B]
(II) resSize:
(II) window fixed:
        [0] -1  0       0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B]
(II) resource ranges after probing:
        [0] -1  0       0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
        [1] -1  0       0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
        [2] -1  0       0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
        [3] -1  0       0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
        [4] -1  0       0xf5200000 - 0xf53fffff (0x200000) MX[B]E
        [5] -1  0       0xf5000000 - 0xf51fffff (0x200000) MX[B]E
        [6] -1  0       0xa0001000 - 0xa0001fff (0x1000) MX[B]E
        [7] -1  0       0xa0002000 - 0xa0003fff (0x2000) MX[B]E
        [8] -1  0       0x80000000 - 0x8fffffff (0x10000000) MX[B]E
        [9] -1  0       0xf1000000 - 0xf101ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
        [10] -1 0       0xb0000000 - 0xb0003fff (0x4000) MX[B](B)
        [11] -1 0       0xb4000000 - 0xb7ffffff (0x4000000) MX[B](B)
        [12] 0  0       0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B]
        [13] 0  0       0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B]
        [14] 0  0       0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B]
        [15] -1 0       0x00000400 - 0x000004ff (0x100) IX[B](B)
        [16] -1 0       0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
        [17] -1 0       0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
        [18] 0  0       0xf00003b0 - 0xf00003bb (0xc) IS[B]
        [19] 0  0       0xf00003c0 - 0xf00003df (0x20) IS[B]
(II) Setting vga for screen 0.
(II) R128(0): PCI bus 0 card 16 func 0
(**) R128(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
(II) R128(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps)
(==) R128(0): Default visual is TrueColor
(**) R128(0): Option "PanelWidth" "1152"
(**) R128(0): Option "PanelHeight" "768"
(**) R128(0): Option "UseFBDev" "false"
(II) R128(0): VGAAccess option set to FALSE, VGA module load skipped
(==) R128(0): RGB weight 888
(II) R128(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC)
...
(--) R128(0): Virtual size is 1152x768 (pitch 1152)
(**) R128(0): *Default mode "1152x768": 65.0 MHz, 44.2 kHz, 54.8 Hz
(II) R128(0): Modeline "1152x768"   65.00  1152 1178 1314 1472  768 771 777 806 +hsync +vsync
...
(==) R128(0): DPI set to (75, 75)
(II) Loading sub module "fb"
(II) LoadModule: "fb"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libfb.so
(II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
        ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.3
(II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
(II) LoadModule: "ramdac"(II) Module already built-in
(II) Loading sub module "xaa"
(II) LoadModule: "xaa"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libxaa.so
(II) Module xaa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.2.0
        ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.2
(II) Loading sub module "shadowfb"
(II) LoadModule: "shadowfb"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libshadowfb.so
(II) Module shadowfb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
        ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.3
(II) R128(0): Page flipping disabled
(!!) R128(0): For information on using the multimedia capabilities
        of this adapter, please see http://gatos.sf.net.
(--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
(II) do I need RAC?  No, I don't.
...
(WW) R128(0): Static buffer allocation failed -- need at least 10368 kB video memory
(II) R128(0): Memory manager initialized to (0,0) (1152,1820)
(II) R128(0): Reserved area from (0,768) to (1152,770)
(II) R128(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1152 x 1050
(II) R128(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
        Screen to screen bit blits
        Solid filled rectangles
        8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles
        Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion
        Solid Lines
        Dashed Lines
        Scanline Image Writes
        Offscreen Pixmaps
        Setting up tile and stipple cache:
                32 128x128 slots
                10 256x256 slots
(II) R128(0): Acceleration enabled
(==) R128(0): Backing store disabled
(==) R128(0): Silken mouse enabled
(II) R128(0): Using hardware cursor (scanline 3080)
(II) R128(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1152 x 1048
(**) Option "dpms"
(WW) R128(0): Direct rendering disabled
(==) RandR enabled
...
(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
(II) Loading local sub module "GLcore"
(II) LoadModule: "GLcore"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libGLcore.so
(II) Module GLcore: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
        ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(II) GLX: Initialized MESA-PROXY GL provider for screen 0

Thanks for your help.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can´t see anything strange there, the only option i don´t use is fbdev, the rest looks pretty standard to me.
Did you try with a plain new conf file generated with xac f.ex. ?

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