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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:05 pm    Post subject: I am curious: any gentoo on apple powermac model 4400 ? =P Reply with quote

hi
I am curious: has anybody successfully installed gentoo on apple powermac model 4400 ?

it is a very cheap ppc 603/604 desktop machine equipped with both ide and scsi bus. It has 2 PCI busses and an internal cdrom drive attached to the ide bus. It consumes less power you can imagine, so it is very nice =P

It should be an "old world" machine, but it is not the exactly the Truth: i mean I am running netbsd without passing through the bootX (macOS 9)

Unfortunately i had no success with a linux live cd =P

(I mean "NOT YET")
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, this is an old world PCI machine and can run Linux. Linux CDs will not boot natively on this machine, which is why we recommend using BootX to get into Linux.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my netbsd boots without any macOS 9 + bootx: incredible magic =P
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:43 pm    Post subject: Re: I am curious: any gentoo on apple powermac model 4400 ? Reply with quote

ddc wrote:
Unfortunately i had no success with a linux live cd =P



off course, i mean i had no success booting the liveCD from bootx (launched on macOS 9)

there is an issue with the internal ide bus, i mean something to be fixed in the kernel ...
it should be easy to understand exactly what is the problem: i simply have no time, and I'm simply curious about this machine

umm an other idea to short the time, is removing the internal ide cdrom, and using the only the scsi chain: scsi cdrom and scsi hard drive.
well, i will try something, sooner or later =P


anybody here with a gentoo running on this machine ? i can't i believe it is the truth =P
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Gentoo running on a Motorola StarMax 3000/160, which is very similar to the 4400 (Mac OS 9 actually calls it a Power Mac 4400 since OS 8 and OS 9 aren't officially supported on the clones). I have had problems with some of the newer kernels and haven't been able to get them to boot (and haven't had a lot of time to dedicate to trying to figure out the problem or posting for help) so I've been running an older kernel:

$ uname -srvmpo
Linux 2.6.21-gentoo-r4 #1 Sat Jul 21 01:38:26 PDT 2007 ppc 603ev GNU/Linux

You might need to try using an older version of the install CD; I installed it a couple of years ago using 2005.0 and JoseJX ended up having to build a custom version of the kernel since the one on that version of the CD.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, thank U =P

is your problem related to the ide bus ? here the kernel panics with it, so I am really thinking about getting a scsi harddrive + cdrome =P

and sooner or later i will get them: a pair of such devices is always useful =P


p.s. netbsd rocks on this machine, yes
but is not able to init a matrox fb (netbsd suxs in this) ... and the onboard fb is so slow in text scrolling (it suxs with this particular fb, too =P ) .... so should i use the 4400 only as remote machine ??? off course no =P
This is the reason why I am planning for linux/gentoo
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really remember what the issue with my kernel panics were. I use IDE for the hard drive and optical drive.

Mine is running my web site and Subversion repository. I don't run X11 on it, only the console. I use the built in video, but since I'm not running X I don't really care. Yeah, it is a bit slow scrolling text sometimes, but it's not that bad. Since it's just a server, I don't worry too much about performance and things like graphics, sound, etc.

I have mixed feelings about running Gentoo on this machine. It can take quite a while to compile stuff, and even emerge sync takes a bit of time. On the other hand, most modern binary distributions don't support PowerPC 603 anymore. Debian does though, so if I had to rebuild the machine I'd probably take a look at using it. The advantage of Gentoo is that it's easy to avoid having lots of extra stuff running (or at least installed but disabled) that you may not need; Fedora for example.
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