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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:56 pm    Post subject: Wow... Suggestions? Reply with quote

wow... fluxbox is UGLY. I just got it for my previosly cmd-line-only system, but its probably MORE difficlut to use. There are no icons, nothing in the main menubar, and no included applications. Suggestions for apps, utils, anything to make it more like a normal GNOME or KDE desktop?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

use gnome or kde? :P
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or if you avoided those because you favor a more lightweight system, try Xfce. If you're prepared to invest the time to make Fluxbox your own, you should probably start here and continue to the wiki (linked from the Resources section).
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey ? you are wrong, man: flux box is not ugly, it is essential !

there are 2 kind of windows managers

(A) minimalistic, twm, fluxbox ... just something making you able to move windows, resize, etc ... everything else has to be made by yourself
(B) entertainment, gnome, kde ... something that claim to be productively ready just out of the emerge, something that grow gigantically into your memory to provide you a full desktop entertainment populated by a lot of animations, animated icons, logarithmic magnified deskbar and such futile things that logarithmically bite your RAM ...

so, you have to chose, man: be or not to be, this is what will drive you to emerge what can really make you happy and productive


take the red pill you stay in the wonderland and fluxbox will show how deep the rabbit hole goes about how many futile bytes gnome/KDE/&C can trash into your memory and file system ...

take the blue pill, the story ends here, you wake up out of this post and believe whatever you want to believe ... probably the excuse you have no time to understand what is not futile ... so you'd better install ubuntu, or macOSX on you ppc hardware



remember, what I am offering you is only the Truth ...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddc wrote:
remember, what I am offering you is only an opinion ...
Fixed. :roll:
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
my fluxbox system:

photo viewer: mirage / gtkam for digicam
file manager: thunar w/ plugins
system monitoring: conky
video: mplayer
music: ncmpd / graphical: gmpc
office: openoffice
web: firefox w/ mplayerplugin, netscape-flash
IM: either centerim or pidgin
background: feh

I'd suggest you visit the howto fluxbox side on http://gentoo-wiki.com/Fluxbox
Just keep trying fluxbox for a while, soon you'll be adicted to it ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

timeBandit wrote:
ddc wrote:
remember, what I am offering you is only an opinion ...
Fixed. :roll:



it is not an opinion 'cause everybody can see how much memory and how many processes Gnome/Kde use
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddc wrote:
timeBandit wrote:
ddc wrote:
remember, what I am offering you is only an opinion ...
Fixed. :roll:



it is not an opinion 'cause everybody can see how much memory and how many processes Gnome/Kde use

I'm sure that they use much less memory and CPU than using fluxbox with applications like firefox, thunderbird, openoffice, amarok and k3b, like most of the "desktop with lightweight WM" that I've seen.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juantxorena wrote:
ddc wrote:
timeBandit wrote:
ddc wrote:
remember, what I am offering you is only an opinion ...
Fixed. :roll:


it is not an opinion 'cause everybody can see how much memory and how many processes Gnome/Kde use

I'm sure that they use much less memory and CPU than using fluxbox with applications like firefox, thunderbird, openoffice, amarok and k3b, like most of the "desktop with lightweight WM" that I've seen.



off course: firefox, thunderbird, openoffice &C ARE NOT the window manager (or desktop environment), they are simply applications handled by a windowmanger !!!

if you want to compare the memory usage you have to compare desktop environment: gnome, and kde are desktop environment, i mean they are composed by
1) window manager
2) file manager
3) panel ...
4) amount of futile staff

about the memory usage we have not to talk about firefox and other apps, we have to talk and compare window managers and all applications they involve with:

gnome: the window manger is metacity which involves the gnome-panel with animations and futile bar .... (to tell you all the Truth there is a packet called "mac4lin" that add a lof of extra to make gnome to look & feel like macOSX-10.5 ... this is the direction for the future release, and do you really need a logarithmic magnified macbar ??? please see how much memory it trashes and how many processes it involves ...)

also gnome file manager is "nautilus", that is heavier than thunar (a good slim filemanager) ...

kde has PLASMOID layers (handled by a specific process) ... a ton and ton of futile byte placed into your ram to make you able to have a "dynamic desktop": do you really need it ?


to be really honest you don't need a filemanager always present into your ram: you can load it when you need it, killing it whenever you have to do other jobs ... gnome has a big piece of memory permanently loaded for nautilus .... nautilus wants to run your background, too ... it has a background manager ... that is incredible !


now, off course you can pkill -f nautilus in your favorite xconsole, but the concept is GNOME loads a lot of extra that is not needed: this means more time to emerge, more space into your hard drive (please see how many images gnome installs ... how many futile MB into your system tree)

if you see my screenshot, you can note nice graphic, essential with everything you need: the background is simply loaded by the e16.999 window manager, and the filemanager (thunar) is loaded only when i click on "file-button" and it goes into for his shut down way as soon as i don't need it


do not trash your memory (and your time ... gnome/kde takes you double double the time to be emerged)
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddc wrote:
bla

I don't know what you do with the computer, but I usually run programs to do things like managing and listening music, surf the net, reading pdf's, using office programs, and that kind of things. I don't have KDE or any other DE/WM just to stare at it and get amazed by its speed. If you use a lightweigth WM to launch normal programs, you will have to load a bunch of huge libraries anyway, spending nearly the same resources. Even more, apps will load slower, because if you use KDE apps in a KDE environment most of the libs were loaded before. In my case I try to use KDE apps if possible, and although it will use more memory in startup (but much less that yu are suggesting), it will remaing nearly constant no matter how many KDE apps are you running (it will only use more with 3rd party apps, like cdrecord launched from k3b or mplayer from kmplayer/kaffeine/smplayer/whatever).

Back to the topic I suggest the OP that if you want the KDE or GNOME look, use KDE or GNOME, unless you have a pretty old computer or you really need every resource saving because you do some really heavy stuff, like video encoding 24 hours/day or number crunching stuff with R, matlab, scipy or something like that. If I spend money on a computer, I want to use it. I won't buy a Quad-Core with 8Gb RAM just to use fluxbox and terminal apps underusing my computer. I'd rather buy a 5th hand Pentium 133 instead.
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i suggest e16
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddc wrote:
well every body is free to trash his ram and cpu load for futile things: no problem

Just a question to finishing this flamewar: what kind of stuff do you do with your computer with fluxbox? I'm encoding some videos to with x264 via mencoder. I encoded one of them from a terminal with X server (and of course KDE) stopped, and without any p2p app or anything that runs in the background except for the essential services, and it took about 10 hours. The next day I encoded another one of the same type and at the same bitrate (both were chapters from the Cosmos series), but while using KDE and some apps like ktorrent, kmail, even amarok, etc. The video was just a couple of minutes shorter, and it tooks only another couple of minutes longer to encode. Doesn't seem that KDE wastes too much resources.
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juantxorena wrote:
If I spend money on a computer, I want to use it. I won't buy a Quad-Core with 8Gb RAM just to use fluxbox and terminal apps underusing my computer


well, you can do greater things with a quad-core 8Gb ram

we are speaking about ppc, and ppc are stopped to G4 about notebooks and G5 about desktop ... ram/cpu/videoboard are hardly inferior if compared with pc stuff .... and well KDE/gnome are designed to run with this PC stuff in mind

this is the reason of my suggestion: if you choose to use an obsolete ppc, you'd better consider it

however, i tell my ideas, everybody is free to run his desk as he prefers


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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluxbox is just a window manager, not a desktop environment, comparing it with kde or gnome is just like comparing apples to kangaroos.
And yes, i use fluxbox btw, but not because it doesn´t trash my ram, i use it just because it does what i need ;)

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I give up on fluxbox. if my system can handle it, and it can, why would i go for minimalism?

ive managed to acquire kde, but most of the applications i would like to use run under gtk. Gnome is asking me to reinstall cairo with the USE X flag set. Ive tried this, but get the same error. any more suggestions?

also, does anyone know of a good software synth for a usb midi keyboard? mos that i have attempted are not supported and wont compile for ppc64.
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I give up on fluxbox. if my system can handle it, and it can, why would i go for minimalism?


its all about usability : does the "graphical interface" allow you to interact nicely with your computer ? If the answer is no, look for another environment, quite easy ha ? :P ;)

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ive managed to acquire kde, but most of the applications i would like to use run under gtk. Gnome is asking me to reinstall cairo with the USE X flag set. Ive tried this, but get the same error. any more suggestions?


sorry, i dont get what you mean, what error are you talking about ?
As timeBandit said before, xfce4 is quite cool actually, maybe you want to have a look to it.

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does anyone know of a good software synth for a usb midi keyboard?


i have no idea about that stuff, sorry

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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im sorry, i dont know what you mean...


thats the error i get whe i try to emerge gnome.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gr4nf wrote:
thats the error i get whe i try to emerge gnome.


oh, ok. From your answer i suppose your are not using the desktop profile right ?
Please check this cos i think this will be critical if you want to run gnome or kde and avoid failures like this.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i like fluxbox, dont use it very much, use kde normally, but if i need to do some work, and my flatmate wants the computer i use fluxbox on my mythbox, and its rapid, plus less chance of distraction!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use xmonad, it's a titled wm. It's not necesary to use the mouse, you can do it all with th keyboard. Take a look of me workspace:

http://www.electronicaparatodos.es/pekes/captura.png
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