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Carnildo
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dnadesign wrote:
IMHO it's just a more complicated way of saying: "we need to recompile every tool used to make flash for AMD64 in order to recompile Flash for AMD64". Either way, if it's not about the 32-bit and 64-bit pointers, then IT IS just a "recompile away".

Look at Gnash and Swfdec: both do Flash and both support x86 and AMD64... So I ask: what's so difficult?


Unlike Gnash and Swfdec, Adobe Flash compiles ActionScript to native machine code (It's faster. Sometimes much faster). This means that to support 64-bit, they need to write a 64-bit compiler (not easy), and make sure the new compiler doesn't permit people to break out of the Flash sandbox (even harder).
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carnildo wrote:
Unlike Gnash and Swfdec, Adobe Flash compiles ActionScript to native machine code (It's faster. Sometimes much faster). This means that to support 64-bit, they need to write a 64-bit compiler (not easy), and make sure the new compiler doesn't permit people to break out of the Flash sandbox (even harder).


Ok, I admit: I forgot about this little detail.

On a side note: Seems that version 10 has problems with keyboard input. I coundn't use the arrow keys when playing MechQuest. Tested under AMD64 on Firefox 2.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@FF3 users
You should be building everything against Xulrunner if you are using Firefox 3, end of story.

@everyone else
Remerge nsplugin-wrapper to update the wrappings (lazy way, or do it manually) <-- probably responsible for 90% of those experiencing instability

This beta is pretty stable for me with Firefox 3 on amd64.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kev009 wrote:
@FF3 users
You should be building everything against Xulrunner if you are using Firefox 3, end of story.

I'm not too familiar with xulrunner. I mean, I know what is is, but is there any reason I should be using it specifically over the version that already comes with Firefox 3?
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3.0 beta 5 rc3 here and Flash 10 crashes when loading some pages with flash. Even loading the same page, sometimes it will crash and other times it will not.


bubbl07 wrote:
kev009 wrote:
@FF3 users
You should be building everything against Xulrunner if you are using Firefox 3, end of story.

I'm not too familiar with xulrunner. I mean, I know what is is, but is there any reason I should be using it specifically over the version that already comes with Firefox 3?


I don't understand what xulrunner is and what that notice is really telling us. I don't have the xulrunner flag set. If I had it set, would things like the vlc netscape plugin compile?
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xulrunner is basically the core of firefox, thunderbird, etc. For example, eclipse doesn't need the shell and shit that firefox is, it just needs a rendering component. Therefore, it really shouldn't depend or build against firefox since xulrunner fits the bill nicely.

Equally important, xulrunner slots nicely in Gentoo. This will solve your build problems.

It isn't terribly hard to find information on it, did you ever think of using Google?
For example, a bit dated overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XULRunner

"Benefits of having a separate shared run-time environment are the same as those with shared libraries. Benefits to developers and source-based systems ~@~S that is, systems on which progg
rams are compiled from source as opposed to downloaded in binary form ~@~S are decreased compilation time, less bandwidth needs and less storage space needed. Benee
fits for use on binary-based systems are similarly less bandwidth and storage use."
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get no sound with flash 10 beta in the portage tree... I can listen sound with any other players such as real player, xmms, and others... but flash in mozilla 1.5 gives me no sound... The previous version works fine... (netscape-flash 9).

How can I fix this issue?
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kev009 wrote:
xulrunner is basically the core of firefox, thunderbird, etc. For example, eclipse doesn't need the shell and shit that firefox is, it just needs a rendering component. Therefore, it really shouldn't depend or build against firefox since xulrunner fits the bill nicely.

Equally important, xulrunner slots nicely in Gentoo. This will solve your build problems.

It isn't terribly hard to find information on it, did you ever think of using Google?
For example, a bit dated overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XULRunner

"Benefits of having a separate shared run-time environment are the same as those with shared libraries. Benefits to developers and source-based systems – that is, systems on which programs are compiled from source as opposed to downloaded in binary form – are decreased compilation time, less bandwidth needs and less storage space needed. Benefits for use on binary-based systems are similarly less bandwidth and storage use."

Yea, I read the Wikipedia page and I know what its supposed to do, but I'd still like to not have it installed. For one thing, compiling against xulrunner for some reason makes web pages look much weirder. Can't really explain it as its clearly a subjective preference, but shouldn't I be able to choose not to use it despite any benefits it may have? I'm still not entirely convinced, but I'd rather not get into it right now (pardon my ignorance).

Suffice it to say I'd like an xulrunner-less system, but openoffice requires either firefox-2 or xulrunner. My question is, should I follow through with this and open a bug asking the openoffice ebuild maintainer to allow openoffice to use www-client/mozilla-firefox-3* to satisfy the xulrunner dependency or is there a reason its limited to firefox-2*?

TIA
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still no native 64 bit flash i see :?
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bubbl07 wrote:

Random WTF :?:

You are one of one people who will find this useful. xulrunner allows slotting, firefox does not (search if you wish to know why)- therefore, you run xulrunner. The real bug you should be reporting is WHY xulrunner pages look different. I.E. screen caps, emerge --info, empirical evidence and not a resistance to a good change simply because you don't understand the underlying architecture. Sorry, but this is borderline ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phobos666 wrote:
how is the performance of fullscreen-videos like youtube or gametrailers.com(the hd videos)?
The performance on full screen HD videos has improved greatly! I finally can play the vimeo HD movies in full screen, with 9 this was impossible!

[Edit]I had to uninstall again, I had to many crashes... :-(
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, I emerged this, but firefox et al still say that my version of flash player is too old. I don't even know where I can see the current version number. What to do?
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in the location bar, try this: about:plugins
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

says no plugins are installed. strange as there should be an acrobat reader plugin as well. do I have to manually create a dir somewhere?

(I just moved from ~x86 to ~amd64 gentoo, in x86 everything worked out of the box)
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fixed it. I had to emerge nspluginwrapper manually. It wasn't pulled as a dependency. Whoops. :oops:
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frostschutz wrote:
Fixed it. I had to emerge nspluginwrapper manually. It wasn't pulled as a dependency. Whoops. :oops:


Maybe even a bigger "whoops": does portage support dependecies based on the current arch? Because if not, then there's a reason why nspluginwrapper isn't pulled in as a dependency, because one doesn't need it on non-x86_64 archs (which still are a majority).
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nspluginwrapper isn't a dependency of anything. The 32-bit plugins are intended to be run in 32-bit browsers.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes, about the fullscreen performance, from a polish Linux News site:
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Flash hardware acceleration won't work when your default window manager is Compiz.


That would explain poor performance in full screen mode on my notebook. :P

EDIT: Yes, that's the case. Without Compiz fullscreen mode runs perfect. :)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi!

I'm currently using ndiswrapper + firefox3rc1 +flash 10 and i'm having a quite annoying issue:
Most of the times I launch firefox it doesn't show up (no main window), i have to kill it and then start it again to make it work.
I think this is related to ndiswrappper not closing together with firefox..

Is anyone having the same issue?

BTW, Firefox + flash in AMD64 is stabler than ever.

As a side note, fullscreen flash videos runs at high speed, even though I'm using kwin 4.1 with desktop effects (which uses composite)

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucianolev wrote:
Hi!

I'm currently using ndiswrapper + firefox3rc1 +flash 10 and i'm having a quite annoying issue:
Most of the times I launch firefox it doesn't show up (no main window), i have to kill it and then start it again to make it work.
I think this is related to ndiswrappper not closing together with firefox..

Is anyone having the same issue?

BTW, Firefox + flash in AMD64 is stabler than ever.

As a side note, fullscreen flash videos runs at high speed, even though I'm using kwin 4.1 with desktop effects (which uses composite)

Thanks.


Hi. Yes, this issue seems to be ndiswrapper-related, but sadly I never got to isolate it enough to find out what is going on. Beside starting issues you might experience Flash randomly freezing your browser while running of closing a tab/window (but that kind of issue doesn't happen too often, I think).

As for the composites, well... from what I read Flash doesn't detect compositing as such, but only Compiz. Tis strange, no...?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using it with nspluginwrapper and 64bit-ff3rc1 and i've to say it seems much faster/smoother than on plain x86. Stability has been fine so far, but it's been only a few days since i'm using it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

new version out
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_070208.i386.rpm

edit yr local ebuild for that d/l
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone has problems with netscape-flash in konqueror? nspluginviewer periodically crashes in konq with all versions of flash include 10_beta.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally keyboard works.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
new version out
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_070208.i386.rpm

edit yr local ebuild for that d/l


thanks ! :)
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