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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also find zenMM to be running great. I've been following lkml daily and I don't believe we'll see a -mm until 2.6.26 is released.

Also i suggest a separate -zenMM thread because it shouldn't be confused with -zen as they are totally different and -zen is targetted as a more stable and friendly branch.

And once 2.6.26-zenmm comes around, i will make sure that it doesn't get officially released until 4-7 days after the release of -mm. As such a developmental branch there maybe shouldn't be any formal releases at all, but it's also important to understand -mm = dev = usually bugged and 4-7 days is plenty of time to research and gather fixes before a generally stable release can be made :D

Big thanks to rmh for his tutoring to teach me how to use git (i was clueless), and I'm definitely grateful to have some help (whereas with -no i did everything myself, now it's about 50/50 which is great and a lot easier/less stressful)

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Linux conrad 2.6.26-rc5-zenmm2 #3 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jun 26 22:48:13 EDT 2008 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux


Love it, but i think we should keep it out of this thread as they are totally different things and it can cause some confusion.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:53 am    Post subject: IPMI sensors Reply with quote

Could you include IPMI sensors, please?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, I have to say, cheater.... thanks for joining up with -zen

cheater1034 wrote:
I also find zenMM to be running great. I've been following lkml daily and I don't believe we'll see a -mm until 2.6.26 is released.

Also i suggest a separate -zenMM thread because it shouldn't be confused with -zen as they are totally different and -zen is targetted as a more stable and friendly branch.

And once 2.6.26-zenmm comes around, i will make sure that it doesn't get officially released until 4-7 days after the release of -mm. As such a developmental branch there maybe shouldn't be any formal releases at all, but it's also important to understand -mm = dev = usually bugged and 4-7 days is plenty of time to research and gather fixes before a generally stable release can be made :D

Big thanks to rmh for his tutoring to teach me how to use git (i was clueless), and I'm definitely grateful to have some help (whereas with -no i did everything myself, now it's about 50/50 which is great and a lot easier/less stressful)

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Linux conrad 2.6.26-rc5-zenmm2 #3 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jun 26 22:48:13 EDT 2008 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux


Love it, but i think we should keep it out of this thread as they are totally different things and it can cause some confusion.


yeah -zenmm is running great here, I just need to get latest drm working with -mm so I can get radeonhd 3d works ;D, sometimes it wont be 50/50 though, I think dodo wants to play with -zenmm also, and sometimes I jjust want to be lazy, but I too will be combing lkml for patches, I agree -zenmm could have its own thread, I would also have to say that "official" -zenmm releases probably wont be made till lots of people have already said -zenmm is working nice, so when we start making a -zenmm kernel it will first be -zenmm0 in the git repo till we think its working well which it will then get bumped to -zenmm1, at that point people should feel fairly comfortable in trying it out if no one complains about it after using it for a while then maybe I will make a snapshot and ebuild for it but for the most part -zenmm will stay in the git repo
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good morning,

I would like to report, that 2.6.26-rc8-zen1.0 runs stable and much smoother than gentoo-sources on my Intel Centrino Duo laptop.
Nevertheless it consumes just 0.7 W more power then the great 2.6.23-zen5 "Vipernicus" did (10 W vs. 9.3 W) and music play lags sometimes when firefox scrolls websites. I kept the config as similar as possible.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

are wrote:
Good morning,

I would like to report, that 2.6.26-rc8-zen1.0 runs stable and much smoother than gentoo-sources on my Intel Centrino Duo laptop.
Nevertheless it consumes just 0.7 W more power then the great 2.6.23-zen5 "Vipernicus" did (10 W vs. 9.3 W) and music play lags sometimes when firefox scrolls websites. I kept the config as similar as possible.

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if u look at the charts on powertop's website you will see power consumption does not go down with every kernel release, it goes up and down sometimes.... what IO scheduler and filesystems are you using?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if u look at the charts on powertop's website you will see power consumption does not go down with every kernel release, it goes up and down sometimes.


That's a pitty.

/sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler reports: noop [bfq]

Why io-scheduler interacts with scrolling of a website? I thought it affects reads/writes to harddisk only?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

are wrote:
rmh3093 wrote:

if u look at the charts on powertop's website you will see power consumption does not go down with every kernel release, it goes up and down sometimes.


That's a pitty.

/sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler reports: noop [bfq]

Why io-scheduler interacts with scrolling of a website? I thought it affects reads/writes to harddisk only?

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io-scheduler does use cpu power to do the scheduling... I think firefox uses software (no hardware) to implement smooth scrolling so that could be cpu intensive and interrupt io-scheduling... thats the first thing i could think of....

it could also be shitty alsa drivers, what alsa drive do you use?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree that -zenmm might be best off with it's own thread.

@rmh3093: let me know how you make out with drm and radeonhd. I am still having issues with radeon/radeonhd and have managed to install ati-drivers-8.433 against gentoo-sources-2.6.25-r5 and have xorg load it.

How closely has the -zenmm been patched to -zen? Are things like colored kernel output going to make their way in or are you guys going to keep it fairly sparse?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Btw, is there a way to download a git repo, but with cut history or something like that? I'm not fond of keeping nearly 1GB kernel git tree on my space-limited / partition.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Btw, is there a way to download a git repo, but with cut history or something like that? I'm not fond of keeping nearly 1GB kernel git tree on my space-limited / partition.


it should be like 400mb, not a gig, and no if u are not liking the size of git, wait for snapshots
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How closely has the -zenmm been patched to -zen? Are things like colored kernel output going to make their way in or are you guys going to keep it fairly sparse?

most things from -zen are in -zenmm
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@rmh3093: kool.....I think i'm sticking with -zenmm for now, it really has been great.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

any chance to get the genetic patchset back in again ?

thanks

WARNING: I just encountered a problem with (supposedly) reiser4 on 2.6.26-rc8-hotfix2

after heavy i/o something blows and there's no access to data anymore (on /root; data-partitions should be safe)

every commands are answered with:
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i/o error
or something similar,
there's no chance to launch a program anymore ...

only way to get back up is magic sysrq key (reboot)

I suspect that compilation of certain software triggers that behavior (which was running during that)

due to lockless pagecache it could also be that, ...

just fyi if something breaks :P
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

p4ddy, I have fixed the PKGBUILD for Archlinux, FYI. I also have a patch that allows the bleeding-edge nVidia driver to work...

That said, the C1E patch was reverted at some point because it caused problems. This broke my system clock, and disabled dynticks. After a dirty hack, I have it working again. I'll try to get a patch posted soon...

Also, anybody know of a way to convert an Archlinux .tar.gz package to a .deb package?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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any chance to get the genetic patchset back in again ?

*cheater-conrad shoots kernelOfTruth*

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WARNING: I just encountered a problem with (supposedly) reiser4 on 2.6.26-rc8-hotfix2

after heavy i/o something blows and there's no access to data anymore (on /root; data-partitions should be safe)

every commands are answered with:
Quote:
i/o error
or something similar,
there's no chance to launch a program anymore ...

only way to get back up is magic sysrq key (reboot)

I suspect that compilation of certain software triggers that behavior (which was running during that)

due to lockless pagecache it could also be that, ...

just fyi if something breaks :P


I have my doubts that it's reiser4, idk if -zen has lockless anymore but if it does you could blame it, play around with different i/o schedulers and stuff too.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-zenmm has r500 drm now
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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kernelOfTruth wrote:
any chance to get the genetic patchset back in again ?

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no need to shoot me down, cheater :lol:

I just was asking for it & didn't know it was THAT much hated / difficult to maintain :roll:

cheater1034 wrote:


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WARNING: I just encountered a problem with (supposedly) reiser4 on 2.6.26-rc8-hotfix2

after heavy i/o something blows and there's no access to data anymore (on /root; data-partitions should be safe)

every commands are answered with:
Quote:
i/o error
or something similar,
there's no chance to launch a program anymore ...

only way to get back up is magic sysrq key (reboot)

I suspect that compilation of certain software triggers that behavior (which was running during that)

due to lockless pagecache it could also be that, ...

just fyi if something breaks :P


I have my doubts that it's reiser4, idk if -zen has lockless anymore but if it does you could blame it, play around with different i/o schedulers and stuff too.


ok, then I'll try out deadline or noop; cfq & bfq are a little slow with that bug :(

anticipatory was working fine so far - until that incident ...

thanks for that idea
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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any chance to get the genetic patchset back in again ?

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no need to shoot me down, cheater :lol:

I just was asking for it & didn't know it was THAT much hated / difficult to maintain :roll:



I will be porting them one day
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remember someone saying that after exams and copious amounts of fun in Mexico, he might attempt to port genetic. ;)

Or it could have just been silly talk..... :D
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I seem to remember someone saying that after exams and copious amounts of fun in Mexico, he might attempt to port genetic. ;)

Or it could have just been silly talk..... :D


there are other thing on top of the list too
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That's ok....as long as cognac tasting is high on the list ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernelOfTruth wrote:
no need to shoot me down, cheater :lol:

I just was asking for it & didn't know it was THAT much hated / difficult to maintain :roll:


No, i don't care about maintaining it because it's probably actually pretty easy.

People who are on a desktop system need to get off the GA high horse, because the workload ALWAYS is changing on a desktop, maybe a good idea for a server/game serve, not for a desktop.

And running genetic now on zenmm, this is the last time i run it on my desktop.

Things haven't really changed since the old 2.6.9 days when i tried genetic, it fails under heavy i/o. The "static" deadline is much better on my desktop then the "genetic" deadline. If i ran a server i could see immense benefits.

To me, the only other option to a static scheduler is an infinite amount of schedulers tuning eachother :-p . I just always think people use it because it "sounds cool" or it's "what's hot" or "different", but i'll run what works best on my desktop ;)
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@KernelofTruth - I got super lazy and made a shell script for fixing git. ;)

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I guess I should do that too :wink:
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mroconnor wrote:
@KernelofTruth - I got super lazy and made a shell script for fixing git. ;)

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I guess I should do that too :wink:


we need to learn how to use git properly so that we dont need to go though this all the time
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rmh3093 wrote:
kernelOfTruth wrote:
mroconnor wrote:
@KernelofTruth - I got super lazy and made a shell script for fixing git. ;)

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I guess I should do that too :wink:


we need to learn how to use git properly so that we dont need to go though this all the time


D***! you're fast 8O :D
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