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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jochi wrote:
That Nvidia seems to be the better Choice for 3D is simply not true.
Nvidia is not usable at the moment with KDE 4 because of a Bug in the
Nvidia Drivers with QT.

When you are on another Archtecture like PPC you cant have 3d with Nvidia
at all because they simply not provide any support for other Architecture than x86.

AMD is the choice of the Future because they opend their specs and i can do
3D on ppc with an Radeon 9800 right now with the the oss Driver, thats why i
switched from nvidia.

With the propertiary fglrx on my HD4870 i can do 3d and have nice video support
and a realy smooth desktop experience since Catalyst 5.6.

Nvidia will not open spec, they made a clear decision.

There is a difference between 3D only and 3D games. The subject was indeed 3D *gaming* -- implied was the architecture, of course. Please don't mix things as we insisted on what the choices are *now*.

So I'm afraid that up to now, the best x86[_64] proprietary drivers are nVidia's. I don't mind they have a bug or a feature that lacks and prevents KDE4 from working because KDE4 is only *one* desktop environment and you have the *choice*, also because nVidia have us used to the quality of their drivers. On the contrary of nVidia, AMD drivers have *always* been crappy and it does *not* improve with time. Even their Windows drivers s**cked most of the time, any version.

nVidia have proven they can release very good drivers that are as good under both Windows and Linux. Their product is not bloated with bugs all the time and you never had to wonder if these would eventually be fixed one day. Probably waiting forever. They *do* fix bugs and provide excellent drivers. Most of the time.

This is the *current* state.

Now about the future, yes, AMD/ATI have opened their specs but we still must all wait for complete implementation of 3D support, which is done at a quite good and fast pace, fortunately. However the current state of Open Source drivers doesn't yet reach the same level of performance as we can see under Windows.

One case doesn't certainly reflect the average case -- provided there is one. And one case doesn't certainly reflect anyone's case nor the majority. AMD/ATI drivers might prove satisfying in certain circumstances but until now, they've proven it's mostly not true.

Regardless of the platform, as far as the topic is concerned, i.e. 3D gaming, nVidia drivers are far more than enough to enjoy playing. AMD's have always failed to start talking about anything «satisfying».

Opening their specs does surely mean that one day an Open Source driver will be better than ATI's. That day might come very soon indeed. But equaling the same level of performance as nVidia *will* take some time. Reason why nVidia don't need to declare opening tehir specs *now*. Things might change in the future.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

8.8 out. More info on the first page.
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8-8-x86.x86_64.run

Anyway, VinzC, I have Radeon 9600, and I once tried open-source drivers and they worked, like, awful. ...or they didn't at all.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compiles and works fine with 2.6.26-zen2.1, no patch needed. Both 2D and 3D feel a bit faster. Old ebuild can still be used with changed SRC_URI.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a.b. wrote:
Compiles and works fine with 2.6.26-zen2.1, no patch needed. Both 2D and 3D feel a bit faster. Old ebuild can still be used with changed SRC_URI.


Oh intersting, which old ebuild did you use?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get a:
Code:
fglrx: Unknown symbol init_mm

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.501, the last one from portage.
Code:
diff ati-drivers-8.522.ebuild /var/paludis/repositories/gentoo/x11-drivers/ati-drivers/ati-drivers-8.501.ebuild -u
--- ati-drivers-8.522.ebuild    2008-08-21 18:48:31.000000000 +0200
+++ /var/paludis/repositories/gentoo/x11-drivers/ati-drivers/ati-drivers-8.501.ebuild   2008-08-13 15:21:17.000000000 +0200
@@ -8,7 +8,8 @@

 DESCRIPTION="Ati precompiled drivers for recent chipsets"
 HOMEPAGE="http://www.ati.com"
-SRC_URI="https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8-8-x86.x86_64.run"
+ATI_URL="https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/"
+SRC_URI="${ATI_URL}/ati-driver-installer-8-6-x86.x86_64.run"

 LICENSE="AMD GPL-2 QPL-1.0 as-is"
 KEYWORDS="~amd64 x86"
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phlogiston wrote:
I get a:
Code:
fglrx: Unknown symbol init_mm

You must enable "Enable unused/obsolete exported symbols" in the Kernel hacking section of menuconfig.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a.b. wrote:
Phlogiston wrote:
I get a:
Code:
fglrx: Unknown symbol init_mm

You must enable "Enable unused/obsolete exported symbols" in the Kernel hacking section of menuconfig.


exactly, thanks... I thought I had that enabled but somehow I must lost it 8)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.tomi wrote:
Anyway, VinzC, I have Radeon 9600, and I once tried open-source drivers and they worked, like, awful. ...or they didn't at all.

Feedback is all they need to enhance their driver. Moreover it's still under heavy development so don't consider it's still the same and will always be. I've seen open source drivers evolve almost every month.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact, does any know if the Ati FireGL V5250 256 meg of RAM is supported with the Open Source Driver Radeon ?

I'm stuck with the proprio driver and I cannot compile the kernel 2.6.26, but the proprio driver crash at the compilation process.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New driver (8.8) works great on a HP Notebook nx6325 with ATI Radeon Xpress 1150 graphics card and kernel 2.6.25-gentoo-r7 (amd64).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyone tried with a 2.6.27 kernel? Maybe zen-sources?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phlogiston wrote:
anyone tried with a 2.6.27 kernel? Maybe zen-sources?

Catalyst drivers have just supported 2.6.26... Don't ask too much ;-) .
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VinzC wrote:
Phlogiston wrote:
anyone tried with a 2.6.27 kernel? Maybe zen-sources?

Catalyst drivers have just supported 2.6.26... Don't ask too much ;-) .


What they called "support" was never true, so I guess it works.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upgraded to .522.
Code:
$ glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
glxinfo: xcb_io.c:352: _XReply: Assertion `!dpy->xcb->reply_data' failed.
Aborted
$

Do you know what's wrong? :x
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: still sucks :/ Reply with quote

Hi,
I recently upgraded my kernel to vanilla 2.6.26.3, the only ati-drivers that emerged cleanly were 522.
It "works" but KDE (3.5.9) freezes (approx. after showing the desktop and kicker) upon start. I disabled all startup applications but it did not help. I use no fuzzy-stuff like compiz.
Fluxbox works cleanly.

My xorg.conf :http://pastebin.com/m501707f2
My .config : http://pastebin.com/m17b3e4b8
CPU : Pentium-M

Any workarounds? :?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, you are using a lot of ATI-driver setting, if I were you, just comment all theses and retry.

You should avoid all theses kind of feature, but as you know, the ati-driver can create a real mess.
Code:

# ### generic DRI settings ###
# === disable PnP Monitor  ===
    #Option                              "NoDDC"
# === disable/enable XAA/DRI ===
    Option "no_accel"                   "no"
    Option "no_dri"                     "no"
# === misc DRI settings ===
    Option "mtrr"                       "off" # disable DRI mtrr mapper, driver has its own code for mtrr
# ### FireGL DDX driver module specific settings ###
# === Screen Management ===
    Option "DesktopSetup"               "Clone"
    Option "HSync2"                     "unspecified"
    Option "VRefresh2"                  "unspecified"
    Option "ScreenOverlap"              "0"
    Option "GammaCorrectionI"           "0x06419064"
    Option "GammaCorrectionII"          "0x05b16c57"
# === OpenGL specific profiles/settings ===
    Option "Capabilities"               "0x00000000"
    Option "CapabilitiesEx"             "0x00000000"
# === Video Overlay for the Xv extension ===
    Option "VideoOverlay"               "on"
# === OpenGL Overlay ===
# Note: When OpenGL Overlay is enabled, Video Overlay
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    Option "OpenGLOverlay"              "off"
# === Center Mode (Laptops only) ===
    Option "CenterMode"                 "off"
# === Pseudo Color Visuals (8-bit visuals) ===
    Option "PseudoColorVisuals"         "off"
# === QBS Management ===
    Option "Stereo"                     "off"
    Option "StereoSyncEnable"           "1"
# === FSAA Management ===
    Option "FSAAEnable"                 "no"
    Option "FSAAScale"                  "1"
    Option "FSAADisableGamma"           "no"
    Option "FSAACustomizeMSPos"         "no"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX0"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY0"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX1"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY1"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX2"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY2"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX3"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY3"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX4"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY4"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX5"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY5"                "0.000000"
# === Misc Options ===
    Option "UseFastTLS"                 "0"
    Option "BlockSignalsOnLock"         "on"
    Option "UseInternalAGPGART"         "yes"
    Option "ForceGenericCPU"            "no"
 
    Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phlogiston wrote:
VinzC wrote:
Phlogiston wrote:
anyone tried with a 2.6.27 kernel? Maybe zen-sources?

Catalyst drivers have just supported 2.6.26... Don't ask too much ;-) .


What they called "support" was never true, so I guess it works.

Code:
* Preparing fglrx module
make -C /usr/src/linux M=/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x modules
make[1]: Wejście do katalogu `/usr/src/zen-sources'
  CC [M]  /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KCL_flush_tlb_onepage':
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:2672: error: too many arguments to function 'on_each_cpu'
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function '__ke_flush_cache':
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3080: error: too many arguments to function 'smp_call_function'
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function '__ke_vm_phys_addr_str':
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3955: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3956: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3957: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:3959: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KCL_CallFuncOnOtherCpus':
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:4799: error: too many arguments to function 'smp_call_function'
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KCL_enable_pat':
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:4913: error: too many arguments to function 'smp_call_function'
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KCL_disable_pat':
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:4932: error: too many arguments to function 'smp_call_function'
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: At top level:
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:6659: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:6685: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
make[2]: *** [/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o] Błąd 1
make[1]: *** [_module_/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.522/work/common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x] Błąd 2
make[1]: Opuszczenie katalogu `/usr/src/zen-sources'
make: *** [kmod_build] Błąd 2

It doesn't compile on 2.6.27-rc5-zen1.
In thread https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5185952.html#5185952 there is a HowTo describing installation of 8.512 on 2.6.27, and it works on my kernel.
It doesn't with 8.522, so new patches are welcome ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a bit jalous. Somebody here said Radeon 4870 works... what the hell?

AMD64 system, Radeon 4870, 822 atidrivers.

running glxgears hard-freezes the system after at max 30 seconds. Hard reboot required. This is now the second card since the first one had been defunct ( replaced ). I can not belief that the second one is also defunct so what gives? Why does fglrx keep freezing my system?

EDIT: specs:
- Asus M3N-HT Deluxe ( nForce 780a SLI )
- AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ ( Windsor )
- 2x 1GB Kingston HyperX DDR2-1066 CL5
- Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 ( 512MB )
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragonlord wrote:
I'm a bit jalous. Somebody here said Radeon 4870 works... what the hell?

AMD64 system, Radeon 4870, 822 atidrivers.


Did you try the HDradeon driver ?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

d2_racing wrote:
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I'm a bit jalous. Somebody here said Radeon 4870 works... what the hell?

AMD64 system, Radeon 4870, 822 atidrivers.


Did you try the HDradeon driver ?

Support for that is only in the development tree. No 4870 supporting radeonhd release just yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Development versions of all open source ATI drivers are way better and more stable that those tagged (old) releases in portage. Try xf86-video-ati from git repository along with X-org/mesa from git (X11 overlay) - this is all very bleeding edge, but I decided to use it on my amd64 box and it's pretty stable and with 2D EXA, XVideo without flickering and simple 3D working fine - no way for switching to ATI proprietary for me - I hate ati-drivers overspeeding my GPU fan (on Sapphire X1950 PRO AGP 512MB) for no reason.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can confirm that, using xf86-video-ati-9999 more than a year now.
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Thanks for the tips but it showed it had been either (1) a defunct pci-e slot or (2) the card can not run at full 16x mode. Either way in another ( strange ) slot it works. Caused the same problem in both W32/Linux but now works both places.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who want to check the "testing" branch, I've got back my initial frame rate (~1000FPS) with GLXGears, xorg-server-1.5, mesa-7.1 and xf86-video-ati-6.9.0. I'm not using the CVS branch. I'm still testing further to see if the freezes I experienced are gone.

/etc/portage/package.keywords:
x11-apps/xinit
x11-apps/xauth
x11-apps/rgb
x11-base/xorg-x11
x11-base/xorg-server
x11-proto/dri2proto
x11-proto/randrproto
x11-proto/renderproto
x11-proto/xf86driproto
x11-proto/xextproto
x11-proto/xproto
x11-proto/inputproto
x11-libs/libdrm
x11-libs/libX11
x11-libs/libXau
x11-libs/libXext
x11-libs/libXfont
x11-libs/libXrender
x11-libs/libXxf86vm
x11-libs/libpciaccess
x11-libs/xtrans
x11-misc/xkeyboard-config
x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics
x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard
x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse
x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev
x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati
x11-drivers/xf86-video-fbdev
x11-drivers/xf86-video-radeonhd
x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa
media-libs/mesa
media-libs/mesa-progs

glxgears:
4519 frames in 5.0 seconds = 903.666 FPS
4518 frames in 5.0 seconds = 903.449 FPS
4511 frames in 5.0 seconds = 902.141 FPS
4520 frames in 5.0 seconds = 903.801 FPS

I must admit I once got ~200 more than that before (without being able to reproduce that situation) but it's far more than acceptable. Note with readonhd I get only ~200FPS. The main advantage of this new version is NPTL is back in.

EDIT: Video card = ATI Radeon Mobility X1400.
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