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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ponciarello wrote:
just to clarify, I took "merry fscking christmas" from jt's website, I don't know if it's official or not.
I don't even linked it directly but I linked the page with the disclaimer, I thought it was enough.

@ are: yes, but you're using waninoko's name, beside that packaging other people's work (with no relevant diffs) and releasing under a different name is not very fair.


well, I thought, that Waninoko abbandoned kamikaze. Sorry, if I was misleaded. Won't use the name kamikaze then.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

are wrote:
cheater1034 wrote:
are wrote:
rmh3093 wrote:
who the F&ck are you and why are u naming the ebuild kamikaze-sources, this is a Zen kernel, can u not read or are u just trying to start a fight?


just a noob that scratched some itches. zen-source is still GPLed, is it not? I can't release something in your name, as I do not like to damage your reputation in any way...

best regards!


No, diffing unofficial zen patches causes nothing but confusion, renaming them to things they are not (kamikaze) causes even more confusion.


are wrote:

Well, please explain me my options then:
1) there are no ebuild for zen-source so far


right, there no ebuilds because there are no new official releases yet, when we have an offical release there will be an ebuild for that release

are wrote:

2) users ask for simple ebuilds, you do not like to give these, until the webpage fulfills your needs


potential and new users have also asked for details on what is inlucded in our kernels... also, see my reply to question 1)

are wrote:

3) I strongly disagree with your work flow, but admit and like your patches nevertheless


i disabled git to force everyone to take a break from hacking on code to help me get some basic content on the website now that our new server is up, this is a one time deal not something that will be happening on a regular basis, once the basic content is on the website its back to normal... most of you users want want want and dont give anything back to the community, the website is not important to people who are already used to our kernels, but we have lost many potential users cause they have no clue what is in our kernel, we (the Zen devs) waste much time on IRC and this forum repeating the same info over and over, many users waste time searching though endless posts to find info relating to our kernel... for these reasons, I decided that getting the website in a working order

are wrote:

What is the way of least damage now? I thought a fork would be -- but I#m open for better ideas (as: provide proper ebuilds soon).


YOu didnt fork shit, a fork usually imples some code change, just renaming the file is not a fork. Do us all a favor and ever post anything in the forum again.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rmh3093 wrote:
Do us all a favor and ever post anything in the forum again.


Well, interesting and really competent approach to solve an issue.
Guys, go on playing with your toys. I do not like to disturb you further. Was nice to learn something about the zen developpers.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but we have lost many potential users cause they have no clue what is in our kernel

I understand the damage and the ballcrushing involved, but, if I can make a suggestion, for analogue reasons maybe it's better to be more polite with existing n00b users.
(just my 2 cents, no flame/pun intended, don't beat me, I wear glasses)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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rmh3093 wrote:
but we have lost many potential users cause they have no clue what is in our kernel

I understand the damage and the ballcrushing involved, but, if I can make a suggestion, for analogue reasons maybe it's better to be more polite with existing n00b users.
(just my 2 cents, no flame/pun intended)


he is no noob, maybe in the gentoo forums but not to our kernel or linux, he is pulling GPL shit on us and can edit an ebuild, he is a troll
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I make an official call for cordiality.

No one is going to win anything from this. The simplest thing would have been to just suggest to are to include a BIG BIG warning at the end of the ebuild using ewarn or einfo, telling everyone that this is not related to ZEN or the original Kamikaze stuff, and that you shouldn't under any concept bother the zen developers if you have some problem with this ebuild. That alone would have sorted all the discussion without a need to be that harsh.

If you don't like people playing with your work, don't release it as open source. I understand how problematic and traumatic it can be sometimes to deal with invalid bugs, the Gentoo bugzilla is full of them, and they are sorted (marked as "invalid") usually without the need to get angry with anyone. I also understand how bothering can it get to repeat the same again and again and again. When that happens I just smoke a cigarrete or drink an orange juice or whatever works for you, then I speak to the relevant person and try to get the things sorted in a civil manner.

I don't know if are has been problematic for you in any other list/forum/site, however, for what I see here, he's being receptive and he has not started attacking anyone. He did something just because he thought it could be useful for someone. I haven't seen any harmful attitude from him here.

So, now, let's relax and get civil.

Regards and happy holidays for those that can enjoy them :D

PS: If he's really a troll, then don't feed him. Anyway, as I said in the report thread, We can only act based on what he does HERE, and not anywhere else.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To see full details build your kernel with:
'make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y'
GEN .version
CHK include/linux/compile.h
UPD include/linux/compile.h
CC init/version.o
LD init/built-in.o
LD .tmp_vmlinux1
fs/built-in.o:(__ksymtab+0x7b0): undefined reference to `vfs_splice_to'
make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1

errors with latest git pull.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think work is in progress, maybe is better to pull later ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ponciarello wrote:
i think work is in progress, maybe is better to pull later ;)


this

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v2.6.28-zen1 "Sorry, but you just suck"
:lol:

and please don't be THAT harsh - I understand that you're upset but no need to use the f- or whatever offensive words several times in a row

kids are browsing these forums, too, after all :idea:

they'll read those sooner or earlier but it's not too good to let them read it all too often - they might get used to it to fast :P

edit:

did you guys use the latest reiser4? it has 3 (or 2) additional patches

reiser4-d_obtain_alias-incorrect-handling-error-fixup.patch

reiser4-adjust-to-the-new-aops-fixup.patch

thanks, guys

and happy holidays :)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernelOfTruth wrote:

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v2.6.28-zen1 "Sorry, but you just suck"
:lol:


wow, they even dedicated a release especially to me. Just can't hide the tears in my eyes! :D
If just my grandpa could know...

Best regrads.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernelOfTruth wrote:


did you guys use the latest reiser4? it has 3 (or 2) additional patches

reiser4-d_obtain_alias-incorrect-handling-error-fixup.patch

reiser4-adjust-to-the-new-aops-fixup.patch

thanks, guys

and happy holidays :)


ah, just saw that you already did

thanks :D
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

one of the mods:

could you please lock this thread?

it's continued at:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-722450.html
Quote:
Official thread: "zen-sources" - Part 6


Quote:
questions and problems with zen-sources should be discussed at its official homepage: http://www.zen-sources.org/ in the section Forums


the installation instructions in this post are provided for your convenience to get you started with the git-provided approach

for a more detailed view on the ways to install zen-sources see: Installation-Instructions on zen-sources.org


in general you should take a look at zen-sources.org for more up-to-date information and instruction


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