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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New .configs for versions 2.6.27.23 and 2.6.29.3 in both x86 and x86_64 have been uploaded to the site. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moriah wrote:
You mis-interpreted my question. What I meant was will genkernel generate an initrd that can deal with a root filesystem on a raid-1 mirror where each disk drive is whole disk encrypted, and where LVM manages the space on the /dev/md0 that is on the raid-1? That gets pretty involved getting all those ducks in the same row so you can pivotroot and start running on the desired root filesystem after you boot from the mirrored /boot partition.

I do not like the way genkernel sets up the kernel compared to a kernel set up deliberately before it is built. I understand that the idea behind genkernel is to discover a boot time what the hardware is and then load modules to handle it, and that is necessary for things like a livecd, or in a situation where you frequently change disk drives, video controllers, etc., but its a lousy to run a production server.


Sorry. Well, the only thing in that list I'm not sure of is the encryption. I have raid-0 with lvm and dmraid myself, so that works fine with genkernel.

I think the discovery at boot time is only relevant if you don't provide a kernel config. You can provide a config for the kernel, so in that case it will be the same as if you make it manually.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you provide a config to genkernel, does it staticly link in all the stuff in the config, or is everything still pulled in as modules?
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moriah,

If you provide a .config to genkernel, it uses it as it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then what's the difference between the "good ol' fashioned way" and the genkernel way? :?:
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moriah,

If you use genkernel only for the build, absolutely nothing.
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It turns out that even with .27, framebuffer is not stable. So I'm just not going to use framebuffer on Xorg systems with Intel. It's not needed - it just provides a pretty bootup screen.

I say this because twice so far with .27, this machine's Xorg server crashed and disconnected from the physical monitor, necessitating a cold boot. So, just gonna move on and leave frameboofer alone. :P

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I don't recall what the acronym means, but that's what they've been playing with; that's why Intel video chips are getting so weirded out...because of GEM. I had read that there was the possibility of using GEM with other video chipsets.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's weird, but computers get that way sometimes. At least you have it figured out, and that's the biggest part of the battle.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell me about it! I have another machine - same model, the only major difference being it uses KDE instead of Gnome as the DE, and it's perfectly happy with farmboofer. Go fig.

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That's weird, but computers get that way sometimes. At least you have it figured out, and that's the biggest part of the battle.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the Gnome is messing with things. I've heard they're evil creatures, that only do well on long trips abroad, and keep gardens clear by scaring the bejesus out of anything entering.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be. Gnome seems a little less stable than KDE 3.5.x (still not even considering touching KDE4).

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Maybe the Gnome is messing with things. I've heard they're evil creatures, that only do well on long trips abroad, and keep gardens clear by scaring the bejesus out of anything entering.

:)

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehehe. Wise move.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After having kdelibs-3.5.10-r5 nuke my wallet files, and after opening the stage4 backup for this machine to retrieve said nuked files, and after doing a slight update to the main page, and after testing to make sure things are right, I have uploaded .configs for 2.6.28-gentoo-r6, 2.6.29-gentoo-r4, and 2.6.29-tuxonice-r2 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

Speaking of the kdelibs-3.5.10-r5 file nuking, etc, please click here for that thread.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of gnome, kde, et al, I like to keep it simple. I run my X-servers by m anually starting them at the text screen command prompt, then I start my window manager from the same text screen's prompt. I use ctwm, which is a knock-off of twm which is a knock-off of uwm, which was the original window manager for X back in "the olden days". ctwm is nice because it is simple, manages multiple virtual desktops (I run 26 of them), and can keep the icons in an icon box sorted alphabetically, which I find convenient.

We don't need no stinking corba bus! 8)
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a celebration of my first paying gig as an admin, I offer new .configs for 2.6.27.24 and 2.6.29.4 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors.

And it seems that at last, 2.6.27.23 has been added to the tree, and amazingly enough, so has 2.6.27.24. I guess what I read about the .27 kernel family being the stable workhorse in the days of GEM, and whatever they're trying to do with reiserfs is true. The kernel devs seem to want to keep that one going. I'm sure it's nice to have a kernel version that isn't a screaming bug-fest.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the trying to do with reiserfs? :o

I have a lot of systems still running reiserfs. I am building all the new ones to use XFS, but reiserfs is the the dominant filesystem on my network, including my precious off-site backup drives! 8O

Am I getting ready to be screwed by some well meaning but operationally ignorant progressive developer? :?:

I got screwed once already this way when they changed the rules for formulating a password in losetup. Admitted, the new rules were better, but what about backwards compatibility? Like I'm supposed to re-encrypt tens of terabytes of off-line and off-site backup archives. GET REAL :!: :!: :!:

Most of these older ones were burned into DVDs with a whole-disk encrypted squashfs format. After they made the change, losetup refused to allow you to enter the old password that you needed to enter to retrieve your data that you wrote years ago because your old password did not follow the new rules, and there was no backwards compatibility flag option. Eventually, they provided a way to re-emerge losetup to behave like the old version, but then you lost the new features. How stupid was that. :evil:

I hope I'm not facing another situation of loss of backwards compatibility because someone messing with reiserfs "had a better idea". :(
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with you on that.

I've become sidetracked with the paying gig, but I'm intending to do some research into what the issue is with reiserfs, as in how to break it and how to un-break it. The only bright spot in this is you know someone somewhere is going to make patches to un-break reiserfs once the kernel devs get done tearing it to shreds.

Why don't they fix the mess that is the Intel drivers (GEM, intelfb issues, etc) before they start messing with something else...especially something as universally used (and stable) reiserfs? The whole idea seems counterproductive to me.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a volunteer workforce, Pappy, and people do what they want to do, not necessarily what needs to be done. Maybe some fresh-out needs to show filesystem development experience on his resume to get that "dream job", and nobody will hire him to do it, so he's doing it for free. That's fine, just call it resiser5 and let those of us who have legacy needs keep running reiserfs, not reider4 or the new proposed reiser5.
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like an idea to me. I do enough bleeding edge stuff. I don't need to forced into it.

Leave my reiserfs alone! :twisted:

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not read through the whole thing but I found something that might be a problem.

You should tell ATI users to enable the following, with out these, portage throws a compile error:
kernel hacking: Enable unused/obsolete exported symbols
pci: Enable deprecated pci_find_slot

I am using an ATI X800 pro so it is a fairly old card.
The drivers that throw the error are the proprietary drivers. I'm using ones that will actually work for my card.

if there is a better way to do this, let me know!
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just wanted to say thanks for this... I using one of your seeds along with NeddySeagoons stuff regarding ICH8. I would never have been able to do this on my own without going to genkernel.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deathmetalscottie wrote:
I have not read through the whole thing but I found something that might be a problem.

You should tell ATI users to enable the following, with out these, portage throws a compile error:
kernel hacking: Enable unused/obsolete exported symbols
pci: Enable deprecated pci_find_slot

I don't have to. You just did. Thanks for that. :)

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I am using an ATI X800 pro so it is a fairly old card.
The drivers that throw the error are the proprietary drivers. I'm using ones that will actually work for my card.

if there is a better way to do this, let me know!


The only ATI card I have is on an old P-II. I know what HELL it was to run Gentoo on it (five days for a emerge -aev world...Sheesh!), so I don't know a better way. You are the expert on this one.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oliver wrote:
just wanted to say thanks for this... I using one of your seeds along with NeddySeagoons stuff regarding ICH8. I would never have been able to do this on my own without going to genkernel.


You're most welcome!

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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deathmetalscottie wrote:
I have not read through the whole thing but I found something that might be a problem.

You should tell ATI users to enable the following, with out these, portage throws a compile error:
kernel hacking: Enable unused/obsolete exported symbols
pci: Enable deprecated pci_find_slot

I don't have to. You just did. Thanks for that. :)

[quote]

Your wlecome, now update your website! :P
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of ATI, I am just starting to install gentoo on an HP nw8240 laptop, which has an ATI graphics controller. It has a 2 Ghz Pentium M cpu and 2 GB ram, so its no dog. It had a problem that I think is bit rot of the hardware somewhere. Under winXPpro it worked fine 2 years ago, but last August -- right around the time of SP3 -- it crashed in a weird way. After a shutdown, restart, or hibernate, it would display the message "disk read error -- prest Atl-Ctl-Del to retry". Of course, retries were futile. I made an image of the disk with dd, and then I ran badblocks on it. No errors showed up. I had to restore an old image back to the drive to get it to boot. It worked for about a week or two, then did it again. Since I was out of town and needed the laptop for my work, I just restored the image to make it work again.

About 2 months later, it did it again! It gradually got to the point by February that I could not shut it off because it would not reboot. That made it impossible to apply updates from Microsloth update web site.

So I call HP, as I had extended warranty on it, and told tham I had already replaced the hard drive and both ram cards, but to no avail. They took 2 weeks to replace the motherboard. When I got it back, it still had the problem. So I did extensive testing to eliminate software as the problem. I re-installed the OS and all teh applications from scratch. It still had the problem. So one by one, I tested different applications to see if I could isolate which one was clobbering something. There was no pattern. I could not be application program related.

I then took the thing entirely apart physically to look and see what else maybe could be causing it that had not yet been changed. I called HP, and they confirmed that when they swap a motherboard, they move the old cpu to the new board. So they sent me a new cpu chip, which I installed. The problem was still there. :evil:

All I can figure is that a M$ driver or kernel upgrade broke the relationship with this hardware, which was first came to market about 3 years ago. I suspect it was something in SP3, but I can't run on the internet without SP3; that would itself be insane.

So I replaced the laptop with a Lenove W500 ThinkPad. Its faster, has 4 GB ram, but a slightly smaller screen, pixel-wise.

Now I have an extra laptop I can put gentoo on. If gentoo works flawlessly, as I suspect it will, then I will have proven -- at least to myself -- that the problem is an XP upgrade broke the box, probably SP3.

So my question for "Johnny-Gentoo-Seed" is what seed should I start with? I need LVM2 for snapshots when I take backups, and ultimately I would like to run whole disk encryption with LUKS. The box has an ATI graphics adapter (I forget just which one right now), a wired ethernet, a wifi, a PCMCIA slot that I use with my Pantech wireless broadband device, sound, and 3 usb ports. Oh yes, it also has a real rs-232 serial port, 9-pin variety. I forget if it has firewire or not, but I do not use that anyway. I also has an IDE 250 GB hard drive, and an IDE DVD burner.

Any seed recomendations? I know, you want to see the output of that tool that shows exactly what I have. Send me the URL of the tool, but I can't run it until badblocks finished verifying my drive.

Thansk! :D
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