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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:04 am    Post subject: Where is XMMS in Gentoo? Reply with quote

Is XMMS in Portage at all? Or XMMS2 for that matter? Also, xmms.org always seems to be down, but xmms2 seems to have a wiki home page.

Just wondering. There are references to this software all over (that I noticed while looking for Fluxbox info) and yet it doesn't seem to really be around.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, xmms was removed ages ago. dead/dying upstream was the cause, i believe.

if you want a xmms-style player, audacious was touted as a logical replacement/upgrade.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I quickly found that xmms is kaput.

I'll go with the vlc and mplayer I have installed.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do a google search, you'll find xmms overlays. I have xmms installed, I found nothing that beats it in simplicity and speed - all other players use libmad for mp3 decoding, which is a lot slower than xmms' mpg123.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MPD ftw :wink:
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The current situation is that XMMS (the package), all it’s plugins (xmms-mad, xmms-arts, xmms-eq, xmms-spc, etc.) have been masked. If you’ve installed it, it’ll hand around, just don’t expect it to ever get updated. And don’t even bother filing bugs, xmms has gone unmaintained; many have tried, all of them have had to stop, hence why this issue on masking/removing xmms is coming around again.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are really interested, you can still get some xmms stuff in my site. It's been ages since I don't look into it so I can't be sure if it will still work or not.

There's an overlay with all the ebuilds for xmms and the plugins I think. And also some deps that were not in portage, I think. I am also hosting some plugins that I found really hard to find, since the official sites are dead long ago in most cases. There should be some themes hosted there as well.

Check my signature to see my web site.

However, I recommend migrating to something else. Do you want something light that just works? Use moc ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the info and tips. :D

I just might check out moc, at that.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:
* media-sound/audacious
     Available versions:  1.4.5 1.4.6 ~1.5.0 ~1.5.1 1.5.1-r1 {altivec chardet dbus libsamplerate nls session sse2}
     Homepage:            http://audacious-media-player.org/
     Description:         Audacious Player - Your music, your way, no exceptions

is a fork of xmms
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucapost wrote:
Code:
* media-sound/audacious
     Available versions:  1.4.5 1.4.6 ~1.5.0 ~1.5.1 1.5.1-r1 {altivec chardet dbus libsamplerate nls session sse2}
     Homepage:            http://audacious-media-player.org/
     Description:         Audacious Player - Your music, your way, no exceptions

is a fork of xmms


Not quite. It is a fork of beep media player, which is itself a fork of XMMS.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

audiodef wrote:
Thanks for all the info and tips. :D

I just might check out moc, at that.


Let us know what you have chosen. I realized that with the demise of xmms, I do not have any dedicated music player on my machine at all,
surviving on occasions with mplayer, a frequent listener as I am.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Audacious since Xmms is gone and I'm fine with that :P
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

audacious is fine if you don't mind wasting some extra ram.

xmms was gtk1 based, hence the memory usage was in the range of a few MB's. Audacious is gtk2 based, so it will waste several dozens of MB's, depending on the plugins that are enabled and a few other things.

I agree that XMMS is dead and the bugs do nothing but pile up.

A very good feature about moc is that it is very light. But the best thing is that is has a daemon/client architecture. Once you have set up your playlist you can use 'q' to quit the interface, and the reproduction will continue it's course. That will save even more ram. If you need to reconnect, you just use "mocp -y". Bind "urxvtc -e mocp -y" to a key combo in your wm and you have the perfect solution for your music. If you press "shift+Q" both the interface and the daemon are closed. Nice, simple, efficient. It also handles streams and has nice features that allow you for cool tricks, like OSD or file management functions. It can use external scripts, so virtually anything that bash can do moc can do (well, or python, C or whatever you prefer).

It's interface is very customizable (to the extent that a text interface can be configured, that is). It's a very small yet powerful application and is actively developed and maintained :)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

after the demise of XMMS I switched to Amarok and haven't looked back... I know it's like changing from rollerskates to a battleship, but hey, it's what I use. :P
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulbiz wrote:
after the demise of XMMS I switched to Amarok and haven't looked back... I know it's like changing from rollerskates to a battleship, but hey, it's what I use. :P

But Amarok2 development has turned the battleship into deathstar so that IMHO it can now no longer be seen as an alternative to xmms. A small player with an easy user interface also for more complex tasks (like internet radio and whatever which IIRC was available on xmms by various plugins) is now really missing.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geez-o-might, Amarok 2 has so many KDE4 deps it turns the death star into a supernova. :P
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mv wrote:
paulbiz wrote:
after the demise of XMMS I switched to Amarok and haven't looked back... I know it's like changing from rollerskates to a battleship, but hey, it's what I use. :P

But Amarok2 development has turned the battleship into deathstar so that IMHO it can now no longer be seen as an alternative to xmms. A small player with an easy user interface also for more complex tasks (like internet radio and whatever which IIRC was available on xmms by various plugins) is now really missing.


The problem with that is that there's no actual toolkit that has the same ram footprint (nor in cpu by that matter) like this of gtk1. Gtk2 and qt are practically the same when it come to eating ram. That leave us with ncurses and tk, having also fltk somewhere in the middle. Of course, one can always forget about toolkits and use plain xlib, but no one seems insane enough nowadays to do that, when all the pieces are available out of the box if you use an higher level toolkit.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use mpd (a daemon, so no gui toolkit overhead) with any client you like. And there are many! Web-based, cli, ncurses, GTK2, Qt4, you name it.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yngwin wrote:
You can use mpd (a daemon, so no gui toolkit overhead) with any client you like. And there are many! Web-based, cli, ncurses, GTK2, Qt4, you name it.


I use mpd too for its simplicity. But I end up installing more clients :oops:
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i92guboj wrote:
The problem with that is that there's no actual toolkit that has the same ram footprint (nor in cpu by that matter) like this of gtk1. Gtk2 and qt are practically the same when it come to eating ram.

Concerning Amarok2, I see the problem not in qt or gtk2: Both are used on desktop systems usually, anyway, so IMHO this would be acceptable. Perhaps even kde dependency might be acceptable. However, having to install and running a full database server (mysql) which nothing else needs on most systems is not acceptable to me.

Concernig mpd, I guess, it has e.g. no convenient internet radio support. Or are there frontends which provide such?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i92guboj wrote:
The problem with that is that there's no actual toolkit that has the same ram footprint (nor in cpu by that matter) like this of gtk1. Gtk2 and qt are practically the same when it come to eating ram.

Concerning Amarok2, I see the problem not in qt or gtk2: Both are used on desktop systems usually, anyway, so IMHO this would be acceptable. Perhaps even kde dependency might be acceptable. However, having to install and running a full database server (mysql) which nothing else needs on most systems is not acceptable to me


Well, unless it's been dropped in 2.x (I don't follow it anymore), Amarok can do well without mysql. It has (or at least had) an embedded version of sqlite. So if that all the problem...

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Concernig mpd, I guess, it has e.g. no convenient internet radio support. Or are there frontends which provide such?


Mpd is too limited. I guess that those using it just use it for playlists. Then for the rest, just use mplayer or whatever. Or better yet, use moc which supports radio streams. I don't use them so much but I tried them one time and they worked. The support might not be superb but it is there. I personally don't want to have a daemon running all the time if I am going to play music only at certain times (sometimes I am looking at clips or movies and having mpd loaded at that time is kind of useless). Moc has still a daemon/client architecture but can be handled more simply at user level (to start with, no configuration at all unless you want to customize the interface).
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A great music player is Aqualung. It has a similar interface to xmms, and has some cool features like gapless playback and podcast support.

Definitely deserves a mention.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mpd is too limited. I guess that those using it just use it for playlists. Then for the rest, just use mplayer or whatever.

Huh? You're kidding, right? MPD limited?? And MPlayer is great as a video player, but definitely not geared towards a large music collection. MPD is very capable with large music collections, and not just for playlists. You can search on tags and so on. Also, there are several mpd clients that support radio streams. For example Sonata, one of the clients I use, does. I also like the fact it fetches album art. If you are looking for more features, I suggest you take a look at GMPC.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i92guboj wrote:
mv wrote:
Concerning Amarok2, I see the problem not in qt or gtk2: Both are used on desktop systems usually, anyway, so IMHO this would be acceptable. Perhaps even kde dependency might be acceptable. However, having to install and running a full database server (mysql) which nothing else needs on most systems is not acceptable to me


Well, unless it's been dropped in 2.x (I don't follow it anymore), Amarok can do well without mysql. It has (or at least had) an embedded version of sqlite. So if that all the problem...

I would be glad if you could prove that I am wrong. But at least, the ebuild pulls in mysql unconditionally since amarok2 (this is the main dependency change to amarok-1.9). And from all information which I found so far, this is not the fault of the ebuild but indeed due to the fact that mysql is now required by upstream, because it is so much faster and better...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mv wrote:
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mv wrote:
Concerning Amarok2, I see the problem not in qt or gtk2: Both are used on desktop systems usually, anyway, so IMHO this would be acceptable. Perhaps even kde dependency might be acceptable. However, having to install and running a full database server (mysql) which nothing else needs on most systems is not acceptable to me


Well, unless it's been dropped in 2.x (I don't follow it anymore), Amarok can do well without mysql. It has (or at least had) an embedded version of sqlite. So if that all the problem...

I would be glad if you could prove that I am wrong. But at least, the ebuild pulls in mysql unconditionally since amarok2 (this is the main dependency change to amarok-1.9). And from all information which I found so far, this is not the fault of the ebuild but indeed due to the fact that mysql is now required by upstream, because it is so much faster and better...


Then I stand corrected. As I said, I don't follow the amarok stuff any longer. It has derived to the kind of player that I would use on a dedicated machine but not on a machine that is supposed to be used for real work. I have no idea why the sqlite backend can't be maintained alongside mysql. :cry:
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