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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a java based program called thinkorswim to connect to a broker, and it comes with a free live audio/video feed and news clips, but they say I should use xmms to get it to play. I have all the players installed, but nothing plays, and I get no errors that I can see when I click the "external player" button. The support people said its a stream in .wma format.

Any guesses if there is anything else that might be included (running Sabayon 4r1 x86_64) that could play it if configured properly?

Is there a way to see what its trying to do/send/play to find out what might work?

Thanks for any ideas or suggestions...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I use a java based program called thinkorswim to connect to a broker, and it comes with a free live audio/video feed and news clips, but they say I should use xmms to get it to play. I have all the players installed, but nothing plays, and I get no errors that I can see when I click the "external player" button. The support people said its a stream in .wma format.


These "technicians" are either living in Mars or know nothing about Linux at all. XMMS is dead and when it comes to codecs support it's not in its best shape. I don't think that that suggestion has a serious base, unless they give some additional reason why it must be XMMS and not anything else. I guess they just said XMMS because it's the only player they know.

I'd say that the best overall support for window media stuff nowadays is in mplayer and you shouldn't need anything else. It should play almost anything, unless it's encrypted with DRM in which case you might be completely out of luck. Whether it will work for you or not is a mystery to me since I have no idea how do you intend to use it. Not really, we have no idea on what's included in Sabayon, since it's a different distro.

In any case, if you really want XMMS you will also need to install the relevant plugin(s) to use WMA, but I don't think it's necessary at all. If mplayer can't play it I would be shocked if XMMS could open it at all.

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Is there a way to see what its trying to do/send/play to find out what might work?


I can't tell you without looking at the program. You can always try the evident, look at the state bar, the menus, properties, right click menus... and see if there's any place where you can see the url that leads to the media. If you can see that you can probably fetch it using wget and play it locally, or even play it directly using mplayer (which can open streams and urls).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a drive with debian etch, and got it working there (not easily). What was needed was vlc, a vlc plugin for mozilla, totem, and a package called w32codecs.

I found out the codecs were called win32codecs under sabayon, and got them installed.

I have vlc installed as well as its plugin for mozilla, as well as totem and mplayer, but still get nothing from audio or video. Evidently the video is an mms in windows media 9 format. Sorry that I don't know much more as far as details. Interestingly, firefox under sabayon doesn't have the mediaplayer connectivity and configure setup that debian has under iceweasel (also a mozilla browser), so I cant see or change what its trying to use or do that I can see.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thriftee wrote:

I have vlc installed as well as its plugin for mozilla, as well as totem and mplayer, but still get nothing from audio or video. Evidently the video is an mms in windows media 9 format. Sorry that I don't know much more as far as details. Interestingly, firefox under sabayon doesn't have the mediaplayer connectivity


I don't know what that means. But if you want the vlc plugin you need to add "nsplugin" USE flag and then re-emerge vlc.

You probably want to take a look at other use flags and enable them if they are not already enabled. Also note that win32codecs will not work on a 64 bits player. So watch out for that if you installed a 64 bits version of Sabayon. I can't help with Sabayon specific stuff, like most people around here.

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and configure setup that debian has under iceweasel (also a mozilla browser),


I don't know if the debian guys do something weirder. But Icewseasel is just Firefox with a different logo and all the refferences to "Firefox" removed, that's due to some problem with the mozilla foundation and it's copyright. So, it's the same browser. As long as you are using a relatively modern version in both distros there shouldn't be a problem with the browser, because firefox == iceweasel.

I am also splitting this to unsupported software, because, unlike the previous comparison, Sabayon != Gentoo. Maybe you can get better assistance there.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to give up on gentoo and sabayon at this point, because if I can't get it to play, I need to buy another cable box, TV, and pay the monthly cable fees for the extra hookup.

I managed to get it working with a bit of idiotic hack in debian 40r6 by renaming totem and linking vlc to it instead, and working even less cleanly in ubuntu 8.10 amd64 by hacking the client.log file for the url of the mms stream and pasting it into the open url dialog of vlc.

There must be someplace in the system that tells it what to do when asked to "execute" an mms url, I'd think, but I just have no way of knowing where that is or how to find it. Somehow it knows to run totem if its installed, and seems to just do nothing otherwise.

Thanks for taking the time to look at the problem. It is appreciated, because its something I'm not capable of on this system at this point.
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