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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pappy_mcfae,

It was me doing the referring :)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pappy and anyone else that might know:

I just upgraded my Lenovo W500 laptop from 4 GB ram to 8 GB ram (8 gb in a laptop -- wow!) :D

It boots and runs windoze xp fine, but it will no longer boot either the x86 or the x-64 live cd. 8O

It used to boot the x86 live cd fine. I did it frequently to make back-up images of the xp system.

It will not boot memtest86 off the live cd either.

I have booted both x86 and x-64 live cd's on other intel and amd equipped machines with 8gb ram without problem.

Any idea what is causeing this?

Lenovo W500 is intel core-2 duo centrino based.

BTW this is *NOT* the latest gentoo live CD; it is install-x86-minimal-2008.0.iso if that matters. I haven't downloaded and burned a more recent live CD, but this *USED* to work before the memory upgrade. :|
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, can you try the latest Ubuntu LiveCD or SystemRescueCD ?

If it's booting, then it may be a kernel issue.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The same exact x86 live CD always booted when there was 4 gb in the box. :?

Where is the url for the Ubuntu LiveCD ? I will try it.

BTW this is *NOT* the latest gentoo live CD; it is install-x86-minimal-2008.0.iso if that matters.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please post lspci -n so I can have an idea of what you have in your system. We'll go from there.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lspci -n:

http://dpaste.com/134960
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK...fairly standard fare. Now post the results of cat /proc/cpuinfo and emerge --info, as well as your kernel .config and your /etc/fstab file. For the sake of convenience, post everything but the .config here, so things stick around for others who may come upon this post. Use dpaste only for the .config.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pappy,

Thanks for the help. I ended up reverting my install back to stable and it's working like it should. I appreciate you taking the time to help me out and I hope I didn't waste too much of your time. :)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not at all. Glad it's working out.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PING! 8O

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-801641-start-125.html#6100600

Anybody got a clue about this? :?:
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first thought would be perhaps an optical drive issue. Secondly, perhaps the disk has some dirt or some such. The only way to know what's what is to fire off another CD (SysRescueCD, for instance), and see if the issues remain. If so, then it's likely it's a drive issue. If not, then the disk was dirty.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or I could drop back to 4 GB ram again, which worked the last time I tried it, using the same exact disk and drive. :evil:
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That might work, too...and if it does, then it's time to figure out whether it's a bad module, or whether the machine can handle that much memory.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The machine boots and runs windoze xp just fine, including a ramdrive to use the memory xp doesn't know how to use.

I will have to see if it will even boot a vanilla windoze xp install disk with 8 gb present. :?

When I boot the gentoo live CD and run memtest86, it loads it and branches to it and paints the initial screen, then just reboots back to the BIOS. 8O
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not a good thing. I'd start by plugging in one module at a time until you find the not-so-good memory. Plug all the others in, and then see what happens. Eventually the bad module will show itself.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It only has 2 SODIMM's of 4 GB each. It is a laptop. 8)

I think the problem might be BIOS related. I once had (loooonnngggg ago...) a 386 box in 1989 that would not run ISC 386/ix SVR5 Unix with 16 MB ram -- a HUGE amount in those days, the max the box would take. DOS, of course, would only use 640 KB. If I told the BIOS it only had 15 MB (you told the BIOS how much memory you had back then; it did not just discover it for itself), then it would boot fine. Then I told the OS it had 16 MB, and it ran fine and used all 16 MB. :?

I am about to check with Lenovo to see if there is a BIOS update for the W500 that I need to flash. 8O
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk about a kernel source overload!!! I've just uploaded new .configs for 2.6.27.42, 2.6.31.9, 2.6.32.2, 2.6.31-gentoo-r8, 2.6.30-zen11, 2.6.31-zen10, and 2.6.32-zen2 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. I believe that is the most .configs uploaded at one time. Cool!

As always, Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Pappy, it's christmas time, take some time off :P
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He *IS* taking time off so he can do what he enjoys -- seeds!

Anyway, I have determined that my 8GB laptop problem is *NOT* the 8GB. I put the old pair of 2 GB modules back in it, and it still exhibits the problem. I ran all the motherboard, memory, and cpu diags built into the BIOS, and it passed them all. It seems to work fine booting XP of the hard drive. Maybe it *IS* the CD/DVD drive, but I don't see how. Trouble is that since it is a laptop, I don't have a drive to swap with it as a test. :(
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sucks. There are aftermarket drives available. However, the makers tend to be really proud of these devices, and like to charge a lot. If you have another lappy just sitting around, you might be able to adapt the optical drive to your machine. My experience is there is one standard interface connector. Pretty much if you can get the drive to fit, it will work.

And you're right about me doing what I like, working with seeds. While you can rest assured that I won't be around here xmas day, I will be here all the days leading up to and after it.

And before I forget, a merry solstice to all. The days only get longer from here on out...until June, anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I attach no spiritual significance to the solstice myself, I realize people have done so since the time of Nimrod. I guess everyone looks forward to those longer and warmer days ahead. :wink:

The laptop is a Lenovo w500, and the CD/DVD drive is SATA type with a proprietary no-tools-needed pop-out design, as they have several different models, and they can also pop in either a hard drive adapter, or an extra battery holder instead. With the extra battery holder you can swap main batteries without AC power or hibernating, since the auxillary battery carrries you through the swap. With the hard drive adapter, you can either run as 2 drives, or use hardware raid 0/1. Of course, under linux, I would use 2 drives and software raid-0 them together under lvm and crypto. Oh yes, they also have a blu-ray drive that fits the same slot, but the blanks are just too expensive. :(

I was able to run the latest memtest86 successfully, but only when I ran the SMP version of memtest86, and only 4 gb at a time. When I plugged in all 8 gb at once, memtest86 would run a little while, then just die and sit there doing nothing. I think it must have to do with the memory map. I suspect Lenovo is mapping some hardware in an unusual place in high memory, and memtest86 can deal with it with 4 gb, but with 8gb, it gets confused.

As far as booting x_64 gentoo, I am downloading the latest minimal CD right now. I will post what happens with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boy, do I feel stoopid! :oops:

Something funky about the video hardware on the Lenovo w500; I booted gentoo-nofb and it came right up, no complaints, no problems. :D

So, Pappy, I am ready for a kernel recomendation. This is a core2duo 2.56 GHz with 8 gb ram and a 256 GB SSD. I want to be able to boot from a fully encrypted hard drive, and I want LVM on the root filesystem. I am fine with a USB stick for a boot key. I have a 2 GB stick that has a write protect switch on it that would do fine for this purpose.

I want to be able to use my wifi unencrypted, and also with WEP. Due to a legacy concern, I cannot run WPA on my wireless network.

I want my bluetooth for my mouse.

I want to run either the Linux KVM, or vmware, so I can support other operating systems, and testbeds for malware and also for virtual networks. With 8gb ram this ought to be a sweet machine for this. :D

I will post lspci -n as soon as I finish backing up the drive, which currently has windoze xp on it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Pappy,

I'm having some problems doing an initial boot. Could you look at this thread and give some advice on how to proceed? The thread is [url]https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-807620.html

Thanks much[/url] in advance
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've posted in that thread. It sounds like you have a configuration issue.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pappy:

Here is the lspci -n for my Lenovo w500 laptop:
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00:00.0 0600: 8086:2a40 (rev 07)
00:01.0 0604: 8086:2a41 (rev 07)
00:03.0 0780: 8086:2a44 (rev 07)
00:03.2 0101: 8086:2a46 (rev 07)
00:03.3 0700: 8086:2a47 (rev 07)
00:19.0 0200: 8086:10f5 (rev 03)
00:1a.0 0c03: 8086:2937 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 0c03: 8086:2938 (rev 03)
00:1a.2 0c03: 8086:2939 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 0c03: 8086:293c (rev 03)
00:1b.0 0403: 8086:293e (rev 03)
00:1c.0 0604: 8086:2940 (rev 03)
00:1c.1 0604: 8086:2942 (rev 03)
00:1c.3 0604: 8086:2946 (rev 03)
00:1c.4 0604: 8086:2948 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 0c03: 8086:2934 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 0c03: 8086:2935 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 0c03: 8086:2936 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 0c03: 8086:293a (rev 03)
00:1e.0 0604: 8086:2448 (rev 93)
00:1f.0 0601: 8086:2917 (rev 03)
00:1f.2 0106: 8086:2929 (rev 03)
00:1f.3 0c05: 8086:2930 (rev 03)
01:00.0 0300: 1002:9591
03:00.0 0280: 8086:4237
15:00.0 0607: 1180:0476 (rev ba)
15:00.1 0c00: 1180:0832 (rev 04)
15:00.2 0805: 1180:0822 (rev 21)
15:00.3 0880: 1180:0843 (rev 11)
15:00.4 0880: 1180:0592 (rev 11)
15:00.5 0880: 1180:0852 (rev 11)

Can you make a kernel recomendation, and a starter seed?
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