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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice :P
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just done a bit of updating. I added new .configs for 2.6.32-zen4 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. I also added Google Ads, and changed selected link color for visual effect. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Pappy,

What do you think about make localmodconfig that I just noticed here (scroll down a little).


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A new feature, available from Linux 2.6.32 onwards, is the make option localmodconfig (and a derivative called localyesconfig)....


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know, offhand. However, since I do have a .32 kernel source package loaded on this machine, and a SysRescueCD just waiting to run this trial, I think I might have to give it a try. I'll report what I find.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice overall. I mean the whole "Linux Sea" book, not just the part you linked to. I just put a link to it on my homepage. Thanks! :D
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A new feature, available from Linux 2.6.32 onwards, is the make option localmodconfig (and a derivative called localyesconfig


It's no substitute for a kernel seed.

From what I saw, it takes the config.gz from the boot media, works out a basic .config. It then needs to do a make oldconfig to move up from the kernel version on my boot disk (.27), to .32.

One would need to know what to say to make the change from the kernel version of the boot medium to the new .config. You would still need to read the settings pages to be able to update properly. If one were to use a boot medium with a .32 kernel, that would probably be the ideal for this to work best.

And even at that, you will still have to futz, as making all drivers into modules is NOT a good idea. Hard disk drivers must be compiled in, as must the file systems. It would be the same thing with make localyesconfig. Some drivers are better as modules. Some aren't.

From that look, it appears that the kernel seed concept remains solid. :)

YAY!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really glad to be a part of Linux Sea. It's not that often my idea gets published in someone else's work. It's definitely a cool thing.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact Pappy, it's great.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Pappy,

Thanks for your thoughts about this. I tried it on my 2.6.32-gentoo-r1. It made no difference, probably because I've managed to get my kernel small: 1.9M with a few modules for device drivers, and whatever extras I need that can be modules.

Next kernel update I'll try it on a defconfig .config. Should provide more interresting results. :)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of that, you can be sure.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moriah wrote:
Very nice overall. I mean the whole "Linux Sea" book, not just the part you linked to. I just put a link to it on my homepage. Thanks! :D


Good idea. Definitely a must read, especially for new users.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This book may become the book for Gentoo newbies if they want to understand who it goes under the hood of a Gentoo box.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for that. The more people play under the hood, the more interesting things become.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And to help those who wish to play under the hood of the latest kernel sources, I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.27.43, 2.6.31.10, and 2.6.32.3 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm all for that. The more people play under the hood, the more interesting things become.


... and more fun than ctrl+alt+del -> reinstall -> buy_new_version. 8O
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... and more fun than ctrl+alt+del -> reinstall -> buy_new_version. 8O


Oh yes. I still have yet to see any version of windows that works better than XP, and I've tried them all, well, except for windows 7. At this point, I'm not looking for a new machine. I'm also not about to pay almost $200.00 for yet another Microsoft Vomit Fest.

Considering that I do about 98% of my computer work with Gentoo, the idea of paying Microsoft to expose my system to security risks just doesn't seem economical, or smart.

Thank the goddess there's a choice, and double thanks I'm smart enough to know how to use the best alternate choice.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't argue with that.

As long as there is Gentoo, all is well in the world. :)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pappy, do you want a CoreI7 or a Phenom X4 :P
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a phenom x4; what is the corei7? I have a core2duo and a core2quad...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best intel CPU right now : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_i7
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, or maybe I should say "hot", given intel's reputation for weenie roasters. :wink:

So what motherboards work with these chips, and are there any laptops yet?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

d2_racing wrote:
Pappy, do you want a CoreI7 or a Phenom X4 :P

If they're free, both please. :)

At the moment, I'm more interested in getting a faster web server. For it, I was thinking the fastest Celeron with 2 gigs running 32 bit.

:)

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Moriah wrote:
So what motherboards work with these chips, and are there any laptops yet?


Yes they are available on some laptops,

And for motherboards, you need a socket 1366 and for example : http://www.asus.com/ProductGroup2.aspx?PG_ID=mKyCKlQ4oSEtSu5m
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Wow, that's a big socket. It's like nearly half the mobo. 8O
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the limiting factors to CPU clock speed is the speed at which electromagnetic waves travel on the interconnects on the silicon.
Put crudely, the speed of "light" in the transmitting media. Large chips already use clock zoning as some parts of the chip are too far away from other parts to use a single clock.

Die shrinks help the issue but they are usually offset by added functionality from one CPU generation to the next, so the die does not get much smaller.

Communicating with external parts is worse. The pulses have further to travel, so more and more of what used to be external CPU functionality is being sucked into the CPU. First was the L1 cache, then L2 cache, then memory controller. So it will continue as the need for speed continues.
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