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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pappy:

I may also be able to ship a 1TB drive or 2 to you as a Solstice offering. ;-)

I am out of town right now, but I will be home the week between Christmas and New Years. I'll let you know what I have laying around going unused...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool.

I was wondering, but there's no rush.

Things were getting spooky, though. It looked like my P-4 was going to die. The AGP port has been subjected to a lot of smoke, as in of the tobacco and weed variety. That's made it a little temperamental at times. I hit it with heavy duty contact cleaner, and things seem to be on a more stable footing.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flux remover in the spray can from Radio Shack works good too.

As far as contact cleaners, DeoxIt is the best there is. That's what I use on 50 and 60 year old Hammond organs, and it works wonders. Takes grunge and corrosion off the drawbars better than anything.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much anything that will remove organic chemicals will do the trick. I'm just glad that the issue isn't moisture-borne corrosion. Considering the life the mobo of said machine has had, I'm amazed it works at all.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moriah,

Cool! I love solstice offerings! I was the walrus in the Dallas winter solstice's salute to John Lennon and the Beatles. I wasn't feeling well, so I skipped out early, but I did get looks and laughs. It was fun, even though there was a bit of drama this year.

Did you ever decide on a harp? I don't think we've chatted much since that time.

Everyone,

I waited one day in hopes that it would be joined by another, but only one new source came out in the past two days. I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.35-gentoo-r15 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the site seems a little slow today, I'm updating gcc all around, and it's the web servers' turn. While I doubt there should be any noticeable sluggishness, I just wanted to let users know if things seem a little ker-chunky, that's why.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And it's done. When you limit yourself to only Xfce4, emerge -aev system doesn't take days to complete. In celebration of moving up to gcc-4.4.4-r2, I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.35.10 and 2.6.35-tuxonice-r10 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to post a belated but heartfelt Happy Holidays to all my friends here. Best wishes for the coming new year as well

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made it home for Christmas, but yesterday was eat eat eat, and watch all the nephews open their presents.

Tomorow I will take drive inventory and decide what I can get rid of. I know there are some 500 GB IDE drives, but I think ther may be a few 1 TB drives in there4 as well. I will let you know...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my way of saying, "adieu," to 2010, the flowers have begun blooming.

Yes, it's true, the next iteration of kernel seed settings is currently in production. I may finish in time to have them up the first thing of 2011, if the initial tests prove the settings to be workable. If not, they should be up within a week of the new year.

I have done a few tweaks which are as of yet untested. I will be compiling kernels for all of my machines some time today based on the new settings. As long as things continue to sail as smoothly as the older settings, I don't foresee any issues in starting 2011 with new seed settings.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pappy:

Remember that .config you sent me a few weeks back for that AMD quad-core box that was stalling unless I moved the mouse around? Well I finally made it home to Kentucky for te holidays, and I am trying to get that thing to work. I copied your .config on top of the .config in the /usr/src/linux directory and did a make clean ; make && make modules_install, but it still acts the same way. :(

Any ideas what I should try next? :idea:

PS I think it must have something to do with udev, because that is where it stalls during the boot process. If I then move the mouse, it runs to the login prompt, but if I don't move the mouse, it just sits there. :evil:
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone,

It's not quite the roll out that's to come, but there were some new sources in portage today. In response, I uploded .configs for 2.6.32-hardened-r32, 2.6.36-gentoo-r6, and 2.6.36-hardened-r7 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

Moriah,

Wait at the point of failure for ten minutes to make sure all timers have expired on strange loop locks and other annoyances. If things remain absolutely frozen at that point, reboot the machine with a CD boot disk (SysRescue), and post the /var/log/dmesg from the hard drive. That might give me an idea of where to go from there.

EDIT If the machine doesn't hard freeze, post the /var/log/dmesg after the ten minutes are up. That will make a clearer delineation for troubleshooting purposes. /EDIT

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't *HARD* freeze; it just sits there until I wiggle the mouse. I will do the mouse wiggle and post the dmesg, but probably not until this evening. I gotta go with my wife to look at cars. :(
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, Pappy, here's an image of the boot console at the point where it first stalls, along with a copy of the dmesg after the boot completes when I keep moving the mouse to make it go. :?

Bootscreen: http://www.elilabs.com/~rj/ezekiel_bootscreen.gif

dmesg: http://www.elilabs.com/~rj/ezekiel_dmesg
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like your NIC's aren't sure who is who. Udev is functional to a point, but it seems that it's only functional as far as renaming NIC's multiple times. I'm wondering how much that might have to do with things.

It also looks like things freeze before init starts. That is a rather distressing thing to see.

As for curing it, here are some possibilities:

1. Delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules. That will rename your NIC's in order of initialization on your next reboot.
2. in /etc/udev/udev.conf, change
Code:
udev_log="err"
to
Code:
udev_log="debug"

3. reemerge udev and baselayout (and openrc if baselayout=2).
4. reboot and see where that takes you.

If it takes you to the same place, ie. not working right, did the machine work properly in the past? If so, when did you notice this issue?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess you noticed that this box boots with an initrd/initramfs and does LVM2 initialization for the root filesystem followed by a pivotroot before the real system gets going. I am wondering if something is out of sync with the versions of udev on the initrd vs the version of udev on the root filesystem. I will check into that also.

If I find nothing amiss there, then I will try your suggestions, but the re-emerging of udev and baselayout will require me to update the initrd image to stay in sync. Also, the deleting of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules will probably screw up a lot of other things, as many scripts rely on the NICs having the names they expect to be associated with the eth0, eth1, eth2 ports, as this box is destined to become my new NIDS.

This box worked fine in a previous incarnation, although I do not remember whether it used the initrd or not. The initrd is needed because it has LVM on the / filesystem, and that is needed to permit using a snapshot when it is backing up. The box also works fine from the Gentoo livecd, so I know its either the kernel or the initrd is messed up. After seeing your suggestion, my suspicions are aroused that it just might be the initrd.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a possibility as well. I don't know about the interaction of udev and RAID systems. It would be worth a look. It might even be worth it to move udev back and forth to see if you find a better working version.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:03 pm    Post subject: xconfig without qt3 Reply with quote

This may be old news or "who cares" news for lots of you. But for those who love the features only in xconfig and don't use gentoo-sources or qt3 looks like >=2.6.37 works with qt4. :D

I like nconfig or even menuconfig for incremental kernel updates, but for new hardware or major updates I've been missing xconfig for a while. So I was very happy to find that thread. (Can't confirm it's true myself, since no use for rc kernels atm. But the creator of that thread affirmed it twice.)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moriah,

You only need a few odds and ends in the initrd to get LVM up.
udev is not needed - make the few needed /dev/ nodes in the initrd statically

I can tart you up a working initrd for lvm but its only a copy from the wiki.
By the time you remove the raid and DM-Crypt, there is not a lot left. If you have a more complex initrd, you might want to try that.
I can provide a tarball if that would help.
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I have discovered that sometimes this box boots up ok, without the stall issue. Well, not really, but after I get thru the boot, sometimes it stops stalling and runs properly, but it still stalls during the boot. I will look into the removal of udev from the initrd and see what happens, but it will have to be tomorow.

Also, Pappy, for tomorow is identifying which disk drives I can zero and send to you as my way of saying thanks for all your hard work. :D
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be really keen on knowing what the deal is once you get the system going again.

make xconfig has been changed in some sources. Apparently, it's going to be the norm with vanilla now. Cool with me. I have qt3 and qt4.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pappy:

I have:

5 250 GB IDE drives (pretty old)
2 2 TB SATA2 5400 rpm drives (pretty new)
3 1 TB SATA2 5400 rpm drives (not too old)

These are running badblocks -wv right now to clean them and verify them. I will send these to you when they are done. Happy solstice! :D

I have upgraded my RAID arrays to 7200 RPM drives, so I do not plan to use these 5400 SATA drives anymore. The IDE drives are out of an ancient RAID array that is now out of service.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I can find uses for them. I've been meaning to update to SATA with my internet server. I have an extra interface card, and now a drive is on its way. Cool!

Many thanks to you!

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While I'm at it, let me wish a happy 2011 to everyone here in this thread. Good wishes for better luck in the coming year.

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