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qdii
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:41 pm    Post subject: a substitute for late Google Wave Reply with quote

You might have seen that Google abandoned Google Wave(http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/update-on-google-wave.html). By January 2011, the servers should be all down.
I was using it a lot, for various purposes : helping a friend to learn French, working on programming projects.
The being-drawn-as-you-type chats were really helpful, and being able to modify each other's texts really made lessons efficient, not to mention fun.
So.. I was looking for a replacement. I wouldn't mind an heavy-weight client (i.e. not nested into a web-browser).

Do you have anything around ? :)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Re: a substitute for late Google Wave Reply with quote

qdii wrote:
The being-drawn-as-you-type chats were really helpful, and being able to modify each other's texts really made lessons efficient, not to mention fun.

I won't pretend to know what google wave is, but that sounds like someone is putting 1-3 byte sized messages into several kilobytes HTTP requests. multiple of those per second in sequence independent of the request results - alias traffic waste, but since it's google i guess the option of more then 1 byte actual transfer per 10k transmission can already be considered efficient.

Having readt the first 3 lines of wikipedia's google wave article just now, i guess IRC would do the work. At least it's been used for e-conferencing for several decades now... If irc's not flashy enough for you you might like a certain (imo trojan) proprietary file sharing network client which runs on port 80 ( without requiring super user priviledges to do so ), is poisonous enough to individually DOS 30k apache webserver instances within a few seconds if redirected on them, and is probably operating on 80% of the internet-accessible computers these days, which would be the most flashy and hypey and least efficient solution i can think off right now ( it's called skype ) without considering the www.

why do i always get angry when i think about the "web technologies"?

Short Answer: IRC with bots and scripts ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

qdii wrote:
Do you have anything around ? :)
Etherpad, perhaps?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't Google Wave released as open source? If so, it could be possible to run your own.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xibo : thanks for your long and unbiased answer :) having used IRC and Google Wave for years, I think that they are of really different uses : the first is great when used for basic chats implying a large number of participants. However, Google Wave is really better when it comes to working in a project (you can add images, change fonts (type, size, shape), correct things). I can deal with the network overhead... And I'll go nowhere near any Skype thing (although I've heard that it disclosed its source code recently?)

John R.Graham : never heard of it, I'll have a look

AM088 : I might be wrong but I think only some parts of it were released. For instance, the server couldn't save waves (which is embarrassing). I'll investigate on that too :)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AM088 wrote:
Wasn't Google Wave released as open source? If so, it could be possible to run your own.


well ... google said the protocol is open source http://www.waveprotocol.org/
half a year ago i've tried to build the console client http://code.google.com/p/wave-protocol/wiki/ConsoleClient and then using it in emacs http://code.google.com/p/wave-client-for-emacs/

but this was no fun at all and my interest was gone
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

maybe Gobby is worth a look.

http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:24 am    Post subject: Re: a substitute for late Google Wave Reply with quote

xibo wrote:
qdii wrote:
The being-drawn-as-you-type chats were really helpful, and being able to modify each other's texts really made lessons efficient, not to mention fun.

I won't pretend to know what google wave is, but that sounds like someone is putting 1-3 byte sized messages into several kilobytes HTTP requests. multiple of those per second in sequence independent of the request results - alias traffic waste, but since it's google i guess the option of more then 1 byte actual transfer per 10k transmission can already be considered efficient.

Having readt the first 3 lines of wikipedia's google wave article just now, i guess IRC would do the work. At least it's been used for e-conferencing for several decades now... If irc's not flashy enough for you you might like a certain (imo trojan) proprietary file sharing network client which runs on port 80 ( without requiring super user priviledges to do so ), is poisonous enough to individually DOS 30k apache webserver instances within a few seconds if redirected on them, and is probably operating on 80% of the internet-accessible computers these days, which would be the most flashy and hypey and least efficient solution i can think off right now ( it's called skype ) without considering the www.

why do i always get angry when i think about the "web technologies"?

Short Answer: IRC with bots and scripts ;)


Wow. Just wow. Zero clue why Wave was an important technology breakthrough or why it's important, or why the only reason it's being abandoned is slow user adoption rates. Basically, normal dumb clods like you didn't get it & therefore didn't use it. I was slobbering to serve it. Here's the thing: Email is fundamentally flawed. Always was, always will be. They FIXED it by replacing it. Finally. My hell of email server admin'ing was going to be a thing of the past. And now, it's all gone.

Thanks for your kind & lucid support. Please check yourself into the nearest wood chipper post haste, and have a nice day.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: a substitute for late Google Wave Reply with quote

yinrunning wrote:
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please tone down the personal attack a bit.
attack the post, not the poster. heated debates/discussions are fine, calling someone a 'dumb clod' and suggesting they hurl themselves into a wood chipper is a bit much.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Introducing Apache Wave :)
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