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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject: Jdownloader slow Reply with quote

Hi all,
I have a little issue with jdownloader; I decided to write this topic, because yesterday I installed jdownloader on my girlfriend's notebook (Linux mint) and it is very very quicker than mine on gentoo, so I ask you what can be wrong on my gentoo box.
I have installed jdownloader using jd.sh (http://212.117.163.148/jd.sh) copied in my home folder, execute (sh ./jd.sh), it works but It's terribly slow when I click on something or change tab, and it's cpu hungry.

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select java-nsplugin list
Available Java browser plugins
  [1]   icedtea6-bin  current

dev-java/icedtea6-bin-1.9.2


Code:
Portage 2.2.0_alpha7 (default/linux/amd64/10.0/no-multilib, gcc-4.5.1, glibc-2.12.1-r3, 2.6.37-rc5 x86_64)
=================================================================
System uname: Linux-2.6.37-rc5-x86_64-AMD_Athlon-tm-_64_X2_Dual_Core_Processor_5000+-with-gentoo-2.0.1
Timestamp of tree: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:30:01 +0000
app-shells/bash:     4.1_p9
dev-java/java-config: 2.1.11-r2
dev-lang/python:     2.6.6-r1, 2.7.1, 3.1.3
dev-util/cmake:      2.8.1-r2
sys-apps/baselayout: 2.0.1-r1
sys-apps/openrc:     0.6.8
sys-apps/sandbox:    2.4
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.68
sys-devel/automake:  1.10.3, 1.11.1
sys-devel/binutils:  2.21
sys-devel/gcc:       4.5.1-r1
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.1
sys-devel/libtool:   2.4-r1
sys-devel/make:      3.82
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.36.1 (sys-kernel/linux-headers)
Repositories:

gentoo
    location: /usr/portage/tree
    sync: rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
    priority: 1000

rion
    location: /usr/portage/dist/local/layman/rion
    masters: gentoo
    priority: -1

x11
    location: /usr/portage/dist/local/layman/x11
    masters: gentoo
    priority: -2

desktop-effects
    location: /usr/portage/dist/local/layman/desktop-effects
    masters: gentoo
    priority: -3

ub0rlay
    location: /usr/portage/dist/local/layman/ub0rlay
    masters: gentoo
    priority: -4

x-local
    location: /usr/portage/dist/local
    masters: gentoo
    priority: -5

ABI="amd64"
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="amd64 ~amd64"
ACCEPT_LICENSE="*"
ACCEPT_PROPERTIES="*"
ALSA_CARDS="ctxfi"
ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS="adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mmap_emul mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol"
APACHE2_MODULES="actions alias auth_basic authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache cgi cgid dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_alias"
ARCH="amd64"
ASFLAGS_x86="--32"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CBUILD="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CDEFINE_amd64="__x86_64__"
CDEFINE_x86="__i386__"
CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
CFLAGS_x86="-m32"
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CHOST_amd64="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CHOST_x86="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CLEAN_DELAY="5"
COLLECTD_PLUGINS="df interface irq load memory rrdtool swap syslog"
COLLISION_IGNORE="/lib/modules"
COLORTERM="gnome-terminal"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo"
CVS_RSH="ssh"
CXXFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
DEFAULT_ABI="amd64"
DISPLAY=":0.0"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/dist/distfiles"
EDITOR="/bin/nano"
ELIBC="glibc"
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--verbose"
EMERGE_WARNING_DELAY="10"
EPREFIX=""
EROOT="/"
FEATURES="assume-digests binpkg-logs distlocks fixlafiles fixpackages metadata-transfer news parallel-fetch preserve-libs protect-owned sandbox sfperms strict unknown-features-warn unmerge-logs unmerge-orphans userfetch"
FETCHCOMMAND="/usr/bin/wget -t 3 -T 60 --passive-ftp -O "${DISTDIR}/${FILE}" "${URI}""
FETCHCOMMAND_RSYNC="rsync -avP "${URI}" "${DISTDIR}/${FILE}""
FETCHCOMMAND_SFTP="bash -c "x=\${2#sftp://} ; host=\${x%%/*} ; port=\${host##*:} ; host=\${host%:*} ; [[ \${host} = \${port} ]] && port=22 ; exec sftp -P \${port} \"\${host}:/\${x#*/}\" \"\$1\"" sftp "${DISTDIR}/${FILE}" "${URI}""
FETCHCOMMAND_SSH="bash -c "x=\${2#ssh://} ; host=\${x%%/*} ; port=\${host##*:} ; host=\${host%:*} ; [[ \${host} = \${port} ]] && port=22 ; exec rsync --rsh=\"ssh -p\${port}\" -avP \"\${host}:/\${x#*/}\" \"\$1\"" rsync "${DISTDIR}/${FILE}" "${URI}""
GCC_SPECS=""
GDK_USE_XFT="1"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://distfiles.gentoo.org http://open-systems.ufl.edu/mirrors/gentoo http://gentoo.llarian.net/ http://gentoo.binarycompass.org"
GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID="this-is-deprecated"
GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL="/tmp/keyring-FN6t61"
GPG_AGENT_INFO="/tmp/keyring-FN6t61/gpg:0:1"
GPSD_PROTOCOLS="ashtech aivdm earthmate evermore fv18 garmin garmintxt gpsclock itrax mtk3301 nmea ntrip navcom oceanserver oldstyle oncore rtcm104v2 rtcm104v3 sirf superstar2 timing tsip tripmate tnt ubx"
HG="/usr/bin/hg"
HOME="/root"
HUSHLOGIN="FALSE"
INFOPATH="/usr/share/info:/usr/share/binutils-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/2.21/info:/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.1/info"
INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
JAVAC="/etc/java-config-2/current-system-vm/bin/javac"
JAVA_HOME="/etc/java-config-2/current-system-vm"
JDK_HOME="/etc/java-config-2/current-system-vm"
KERNEL="linux"
LANG="it_IT.UTF-8"
LCD_DEVICES="bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text"
LC_ALL="it_IT.UTF-8"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
LDFLAGS_x86="-m elf_i386"
LESS="-R -M --shift 5"
LESSOPEN="|lesspipe.sh %s"
LIBDIR_amd64="lib64"
LIBDIR_amd64_fbsd="lib64"
LIBDIR_ppc="lib32"
LIBDIR_ppc64="lib64"
LIBDIR_sparc32="lib32"
LIBDIR_sparc64="lib64"
LIBDIR_x86="lib32"
LIBDIR_x86_fbsd="lib32"
LINGUAS="it"
LOGNAME="root"
LS_COLORS="rs=0:di=01;34:ln=01;36:mh=00:pi=40;33:so=01;35:do=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=01;05;37;41:mi=01;05;37;41:su=37;41:sg=30;43:ca=30;41:tw=30;42:ow=34;42:st=37;44:ex=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.lzma=01;31:*.tlz=01;31:*.txz=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:*.dz=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.lz=01;31:*.xz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tbz=01;31:*.tbz2=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.deb=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.jar=01;31:*.rar=01;31:*.ace=01;31:*.zoo=01;31:*.cpio=01;31:*.7z=01;31:*.rz=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.jpeg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.pbm=01;35:*.pgm=01;35:*.ppm=01;35:*.tga=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.tif=01;35:*.tiff=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.svg=01;35:*.svgz=01;35:*.mng=01;35:*.pcx=01;35:*.mov=01;35:*.mpg=01;35:*.mpeg=01;35:*.m2v=01;35:*.mkv=01;35:*.ogm=01;35:*.mp4=01;35:*.m4v=01;35:*.mp4v=01;35:*.vob=01;35:*.qt=01;35:*.nuv=01;35:*.wmv=01;35:*.asf=01;35:*.rm=01;35:*.rmvb=01;35:*.flc=01;35:*.avi=01;35:*.fli=01;35:*.flv=01;35:*.gl=01;35:*.dl=01;35:*.xcf=01;35:*.xwd=01;35:*.yuv=01;35:*.cgm=01;35:*.emf=01;35:*.axv=01;35:*.anx=01;35:*.ogv=01;35:*.ogx=01;35:*.pdf=00;32:*.ps=00;32:*.txt=00;32:*.patch=00;32:*.diff=00;32:*.log=00;32:*.tex=00;32:*.doc=00;32:*.aac=00;36:*.au=00;36:*.flac=00;36:*.mid=00;36:*.midi=00;36:*.mka=00;36:*.mp3=00;36:*.mpc=00;36:*.ogg=00;36:*.ra=00;36:*.wav=00;36:*.axa=00;36:*.oga=00;36:*.spx=00;36:*.xspf=00;36:"
MAIL="/var/mail/vasco"
MAKEOPTS="-j3"
MANPATH="/etc/java-config-2/current-system-vm/man:/usr/local/share/man:/usr/share/man:/usr/share/binutils-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/2.21/man:/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.1/man:/etc/java-config/system-vm/man/"
MULTILIB_ABIS="amd64"
MULTILIB_STRICT_DENY="64-bit.*shared object"
MULTILIB_STRICT_DIRS="/lib32 /lib /usr/lib32 /usr/lib /usr/kde/*/lib32 /usr/kde/*/lib /usr/qt/*/lib32 /usr/qt/*/lib /usr/X11R6/lib32 /usr/X11R6/lib"
MULTILIB_STRICT_EXEMPT="(perl5|gcc|gcc-lib|binutils|eclipse-3|debug|portage)"
NETBEANS="apisupport cnd groovy gsf harness ide identity j2ee java mobility nb php profiler soa visualweb webcommon websvccommon xml"
OPENGL_PROFILE="xorg-x11"
ORBIT_SOCKETDIR="/tmp/orbit-root"
PAGER="/usr/bin/less"
PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.5.1"
PHP_TARGETS="php5-2"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_ARCHLIST="ppc x86-openbsd ppc-openbsd ppc64 x86-winnt x86-fbsd ppc-aix alpha arm x86-freebsd s390 amd64 arm-linux x86-macos x64-openbsd ia64-hpux hppa x86-netbsd x86-cygwin amd64-linux ia64-linux x86 sparc-solaris x64-freebsd sparc64-solaris x86-linux x64-macos sparc m68k-mint ia64 mips ppc-macos x86-interix hppa-hpux amd64-fbsd x64-solaris mips-irix m68k sh x86-solaris sparc-fbsd"
PORTAGE_BINHOST_CHUNKSIZE="3000"
PORTAGE_BIN_PATH="/usr/lib64/portage/bin"
PORTAGE_COMPRESS_EXCLUDE_SUFFIXES="css gif htm[l]? jp[e]?g js pdf png"
PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT="/"
PORTAGE_DEBUG="0"
PORTAGE_DEPCACHEDIR="/var/cache/edb/dep"
PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES="log warn error"
PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILFROM="portage@localhost"
PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILSUBJECT="[portage] ebuild log for ${PACKAGE} on ${HOST}"
PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI="root"
PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM="save_summary echo"
PORTAGE_FETCH_CHECKSUM_TRY_MIRRORS="5"
PORTAGE_FETCH_RESUME_MIN_SIZE="350K"
PORTAGE_GID="250"
PORTAGE_INST_GID="0"
PORTAGE_INST_UID="0"
PORTAGE_PYM_PATH="/usr/lib64/portage/pym"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS="--exclude-from=/etc/portage/rsync_excludes"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_RETRIES="-1"
PORTAGE_SANDBOX_COMPAT_LEVEL="22"
PORTAGE_SYNC_STALE="30"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp/"
PORTAGE_VERBOSE="1"
PORTAGE_WORKDIR_MODE="0700"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage/tree"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/portage/dist/local/layman/rion /usr/portage/dist/local/layman/x11 /usr/portage/dist/local/layman/desktop-effects /usr/portage/dist/local/layman/ub0rlay /usr/portage/dist/local"
PRELINK_PATH_MASK="/usr/lib64/libfreebl3.so:/usr/lib64/libnssdbm3.so:/usr/lib64/libsoftokn3.so"
PROFILE_ONLY_VARIABLES="ARCH ELIBC KERNEL USERLAND"
PWD="/home/vasco"
PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE="1"
RESUMECOMMAND="/usr/bin/wget -c -t 3 -T 60 --passive-ftp -O "${DISTDIR}/${FILE}" "${URI}""
RESUMECOMMAND_RSYNC="rsync -avP "${URI}" "${DISTDIR}/${FILE}""
RESUMECOMMAND_SSH="bash -c "x=\${2#ssh://} ; host=\${x%%/*} ; port=\${host##*:} ; host=\${host%:*} ; [[ \${host} = \${port} ]] && port=22 ; exec rsync --rsh=\"ssh -p\${port}\" -avP \"\${host}:/\${x#*/}\" \"\$1\"" rsync "${DISTDIR}/${FILE}" "${URI}""
ROOT="/"
ROOTPATH="/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.5.1"
RPMDIR="/usr/portage/rpm"
RUBY_TARGETS="ruby18"
SESSION_MANAGER="local/yellowhat:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/29657,unix/yellowhat:/tmp/.ICE-unix/29657"
SHELL="/bin/bash"
SHLVL="5"
SSH_AUTH_SOCK="/tmp/keyring-FN6t61/ssh"
STAGE1_USE="nptl nptlonly unicode"
SYMLINK_LIB="yes"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
TERM="xterm"
USE="3dnow X a52 acl alsa amd64 berkdb branding bzip2 cairo cdda cddb cdr cli cracklib crypt cups cxx dbus dri dvd exif ffmpeg fortran gdbm gif gnome gpm gtk hddtemp iconv ipv6 jpeg lame mad mmx modules mp3 mpeg mudflap nautilus ncurses nls nptl nptlonly ogg opengl openmp pam pcre perl png pppd python quicktime rar readline session smp sse sse2 sse3 ssl svg sysfs tcpd theora tiff twolame udev unicode usb x264 xcb xorg xv xvid zlib" ALSA_CARDS="ctxfi" ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS="adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mmap_emul mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol" APACHE2_MODULES="actions alias auth_basic authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache cgi cgid dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_alias" COLLECTD_PLUGINS="df interface irq load memory rrdtool swap syslog" ELIBC="glibc" GPSD_PROTOCOLS="ashtech aivdm earthmate evermore fv18 garmin garmintxt gpsclock itrax mtk3301 nmea ntrip navcom oceanserver oldstyle oncore rtcm104v2 rtcm104v3 sirf superstar2 timing tsip tripmate tnt ubx" INPUT_DEVICES="evdev" KERNEL="linux" LCD_DEVICES="bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text" LINGUAS="it" PHP_TARGETS="php5-2" RUBY_TARGETS="ruby18" USERLAND="GNU" VIDEO_CARDS="radeon" XTABLES_ADDONS="quota2 psd pknock lscan length2 ipv4options ipset ipp2p iface geoip fuzzy condition tee tarpit sysrq steal rawnat logmark ipmark dhcpmac delude chaos account"
USER="root"
USERLAND="GNU"
USE_EXPAND="ALSA_CARDS ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS APACHE2_MODULES APACHE2_MPMS CAMERAS COLLECTD_PLUGINS CROSSCOMPILE_OPTS DVB_CARDS ELIBC FCDSL_CARDS FOO2ZJS_DEVICES FRITZCAPI_CARDS GPSD_PROTOCOLS INPUT_DEVICES KERNEL LCD_DEVICES LINGUAS LIRC_DEVICES MISDN_CARDS NETBEANS_MODULES NGINX_MODULES_HTTP NGINX_MODULES_MAIL PHP_TARGETS QEMU_SOFTMMU_TARGETS QEMU_USER_TARGETS RUBY_TARGETS SANE_BACKENDS USERLAND VIDEO_CARDS XFCE_PLUGINS XTABLES_ADDONS"
USE_EXPAND_HIDDEN="CROSSCOMPILE_OPTS ELIBC KERNEL USERLAND"
USE_ORDER="env:pkg:conf:defaults:pkginternal:env.d"
VBOX_APP_HOME="/opt/VirtualBox"
VIDEO_CARDS="radeon"
WINDOWID="44040195"
WINDOWPATH="7"
XAUTHORITY="/tmp/libgksu-Ci5lIE/.Xauthority"
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/etc/xdg"
XDG_DATA_DIRS="/usr/local/share:/usr/share"
XDG_MENU_PREFIX="gnome-"
XDG_SESSION_COOKIE="ccee0d1ccdc2a2f6ab1721614c2fcf7c-1292085763.750387-2091495395"
XTABLES_ADDONS="quota2 psd pknock lscan length2 ipv4options ipset ipp2p iface geoip fuzzy condition tee tarpit sysrq steal rawnat logmark ipmark dhcpmac delude chaos account"
XZ_OPT="--memory=max"
_="/usr/bin/emerge"


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try sun-jre instead of icedtea, it was better/faster for me when I used jdownloader. I now use tucan which is a python app, much nicer and doesn't look like alien on my desktop :D
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can I emerge sun-jre and delelte icedtea?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:
echo 'dev-java/sun-jdk dlj-1.1' >> /etc/portage/package.license && emerge dev-java/sun-jdk && java-config --set-system-vm sun-jdk-1.6 && emerge --unmerge dev-java/icedtea

should do it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very much!!!!!!! Now is much quicker
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:33 am    Post subject: find problems Reply with quote

If you feel your internet is slow you must know what applications are using internet

$ sudo netstat -tup

You will find the 'extra' applications using internet
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks very useful command!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: find problems Reply with quote

daniel2010 wrote:
If you feel your internet is slow you must know what applications are using internet
$ sudo netstat -tup
(...)

To do that you could also emerge & use nethogs package: http://nethogs.sourceforge.net/
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