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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:52 pm    Post subject: Gnome-3 without pulseaudio? I hope possible... Reply with quote

I like gnome-3 very much. But it seems it is deeply integrated with pulseaudio. I don't want pulseaudio.
Before I give up gnome-3 because of pulseaudio, I wanted to ask here. Is it possible to use gnome without pulseaudio?
If I login to gnome-3, It continuously tries to load pulseaudio. And writing to /var/log/messages every 2-3 seconds while irritating my hard disk with this:
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pulseaudio[15787]: socket-server.c: socket(PF_INET6): Address family not supported by protocol
pulseaudio[15787]: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-sink" (argument: "device=hw:1 rate=48000 channels=6"): initialization failed.
pulseaudio[15787]: main.c: Module load failed.
pulseaudio[15787]: main.c: Failed to initialize daemon.
pulseaudio[15784]: main.c: Daemon startup failed.

As it can't load the module, in gnome systems it does not see the sound card, everything in sound preferences disabled, there is no mixer volume. But sound is working with the apps. Just gnome-3 can't use.
Anyway my real problem is not gnome-3 failing to load pulseaudio module. I just want gnome-3 with just alsa, not pulseaudio.
Pulseaudio does not bother me lying in my system. I just want it do nothing, unless I start the pulseaudio server myself.
If I use openbox, etc, pulseaudio is not triggered.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:03 pm    Post subject: Pulseaudio*** Reply with quote

I'm afraid you'll just have to unmerge manually pulseaudio and add a line for it in package.mask to prevent portage from merging it again. You can add a `-pulseaudio' in your make.conf file to avoid having dependencies on it. That's what I did before merging gnome3, as for hal and alsa for me as a side note, but it did pull in pulseaudio *** when merging gnome3. I've just noticed the heavy background activity of pulse daemon in my logs when trying to debug gnome-session-daemon failures to login safely in GDM,--this is really weird as I believed gnome-{session,keyring}-daemon being the culpirit of those failures to open a valid session, but it's not the case as my login session start as it should, and fail just after that [there's only a F15 bug found googling that describe my issue]. Then you should be fine with that, you won't have any GDM related sound--like the greeter and such, but do you care about that?-- and can use your applications settings to redirect the output... I have exactely the same issue with gstreamer in gnome2, gstreamer is not a bother, in fact I setted the use flags myself. The thing is gstreamer has bad support of OSS4 and I have an awfull sound with it. All the applications that can ouput directly to an OSS device [/dev/dsp*] has far better sound. I could never use it for listening/watching something. This just mean that I have far limited media-{sound,video} choices... In fact I don't use any fancy media player that do not output directly to /dev/dsp*. I wished gnome dev team could take into account some factual facts like that furthermore the mandatory unnecessary middle [new] guy--pulseaudio--added with gnome3. And the you could read on gnome3 website that every design decision was carefully taken... et al. No kidding, this is a serious matter! Well bad support, I don't know how to say it because gstreamer and OSS4 in gnome2 looks fine, and I have all the necessaries settings in volume control, allas all that does not serve any purpose with an awful sound. However, I won't even try pulseaudio in gnome3 as I did with gstreamer in gnome2--hell with pulseaudio.

EDIT: Actually I merged, with some hassle, gmusicbrowser which has good support with gstreamer,--you can even chose your OSS device [/dev/dsp*] for it,-- which end up being a good attempt because now I have a good player... I was stucked with audacious, now I have another alternative! Actually with all those media players out there supporting gstreamer, all of them but gmusicbrowser output to card0/subcard0. I can select whatever I want with gstreamer-properties but that change is never take into account with those said players. Now, CUE support in gmusicbrowser is the thing that will prevent me to make it my main player, audacious CUE support with lossless [ape/flac] is... very too bad and pratically unusable.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tclover, thanks.
I gave up gnome-3 this time. It was working nice but after some updates, I only have a background and a mouse pointer. Probably, it is the same bug mentioned here that gnome3 fails with two screens.
And since dev-libs/glib-9999 and x11-libs/gtk+-9999 from gnome-overlay do not compile for a long time, I now have to use kde4. It is slow but works, at least.
For the pulseaudio, I don't hate it as I used to. Sometimes I use it to forward audio on my laptop to another laptop connected to a good sound system. So I don't want to unistall it. I just want to use it whenever I need, not when gnome-3 wants.
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