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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another day, another huge amount of kernel source released, including 3.2.0 going stable. I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.32-gentoo-r41, 2.6.32.52, 3.0.15, 3.0.15-gentoo, 3.0.15-tuxonice, 3.1.7, 3.1.7-gentoo, 3.2.0, and 3.2.0-gentoo in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

I've been trying to get ampache to work. Now that I have, perhaps I'll be able to get the other pages for the new revisions done before 3.3 comes into being.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Pappy,

I have a question, if you don't mind. In the latest -3.2 sources, there are three new crypto options make oldconfig asked me about: CRYPTO_SHA1_SSE3, CRYPTO_BLOWFISH_X86_64, and CRYPTO_TWOFISH_X86_64_3WAY. These options are supposedly better or faster than the regular CRYPTO_SHA1, CRYPTO_BLOWFISH, and CRYPTO_TWOFISH_X86_64, which I had already enabled (they were either preset in your seeds, or selected by another option I chose myself). Should I enable these new options? Or - since I don't have any program (that I know of) using these ciphers - would they just add bloat to my kernel? In other words: do these new options replace the 'regular' options, or are they just alternatives which kernel routines or userspace programs must specifically choose to use?

Thanks :)
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will start by saying that kernel bloat is more or less meaningless in these days of terabyte drives. Even the use of a genkernel special doesn't begin to eat up the room on most modern hard drives. That said, if you find some things in the kernel seed that you know are really unnecessary for your situation, by all means, remove said symbols in your configuration applet.

There is no point in keeping items in your kernel that you are not going to use, or that are impractical considering the system on which your working. For instance, if you don't have an intel CPU with the special NI cipher instruction set, there is no point in turning on the settings that use that instruction set. Even I turn off those bits on my own machines as I have nothing in my bevy of beauties with a CPU that honors those settings.

The philosophy behind the kernel seed remains using the least amount of symbols to achieve and maintain a decent running Linux machine. While kernel bloat isn't an issue, there is no point in setting up your kernel with stuff that will never be used by you or your machine. Let your own sense of pragmatic practicality be your guide.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the insight, pappy :)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're most welcome!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another day, more sources, and more seeds. I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.32-hardened-r83, 2.6.32-hardened-r84, 3.1.7-hardened, 3.1.8, and 3.2.0-gentoo-r1 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

I'm still updating the new pages for the 3.2.0 sources. Keep an eye out for update announcements coming soon.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No new source today, but a new settings page has been uploaded. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of Vanilla today! I've just updated settings pages 2 (a lot), 1, 7, and 8 (links to new page). I've also added .configs for 3.0.16, 3.0.17, 3.1.9, and 3.2.1 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how do you update from say 3.0.5 to 3.2.x, i only ask as when i do make oldconfig, i get asked a load of questions as it has new options that need to be set. How do i know what to say to these new options? should i just hit enter and let it use the default answer? I just want to make sure that i only have what i need to have selected in my kernel, so i can keep it nice and lean :)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dark Foo wrote:
how do you update from say 3.0.5 to 3.2.x, i only ask as when i do make oldconfig, i get asked a load of questions as it has new options that need to be set. How do i know what to say to these new options? should i just hit enter and let it use the default answer? I just want to make sure that i only have what i need to have selected in my kernel, so i can keep it nice and lean :)


For all new options I'm answering with 'n' after that I'm entering menuconfig and checking for something importantj, just in case ;)


P.S. @Pappy : Thank you for the seeds and updated info pages !
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In general, that which shows up with make oldconfig are new devices that you don't have in your system. For the most part, answering all new options with, "n" is the best way to go. The only exception to that rule is when you're waiting for new drivers. In that case, you would only want to "m" or "y" the driver for which you're waiting, and follow up with a make menuconfig or make xconfig to be sure that you haven't enabled anything you don't need.

As for the new pages, I'm glad they're popular. Now, if I could only find a way to make money with them :\

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pappy_mcfae wrote:

As for the new pages, I'm glad they're popular. Now, if I could only find a way to make money with them :\


May be some adds or 'donate' button :?:
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dark Foo wrote:
how do you update from say 3.0.5 to 3.2.x, i only ask as when i do make oldconfig, i get asked a load of questions as it has new options that need to be set. How do i know what to say to these new options? should i just hit enter and let it use the default answer? I just want to make sure that i only have what i need to have selected in my kernel, so i can keep it nice and lean :)


I load up the pappy seed config for that kernel version in my browser then search for the CONFIG_STRING that oldconfig is asking me about - that way I get the new generic pappy says yes options (or modules), for anything that pappy lists as a no or is not configured I use the inbuilt help in oldconfig - that gives you a brief description to help you decide. Once oldconfig is finished I then fire up menuconfig just to check nothing obvious is missing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a donation page. I haven't had any donations in some time. I also had google ads for a while, but it takes forever to make any money. I need a nerdly benefactor, who can see the greatness of the idea, and who would make it so my job would be the page, first, last, and always.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pappy_mcfae wrote:
I have a donation page. I haven't had any donations in some time. I also had google ads for a while, but it takes forever to make any money. I need a nerdly benefactor, who can see the greatness of the idea, and who would make it so my job would be the page, first, last, and always.

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I overlook donation page... found it .
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another night, a lot more sources. I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.32-hardened-r85, 2.6.32.53, 2.6.32.54, 3.1.8-hardened, and 3.2.1-gentoo in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pappy_mcfae wrote:
I have a donation page.
... I need a nerdly benefactor, who can see the greatness of the idea,

What is your idea?

I need a kernel-config-site.org where I can
- select my hardware
- select my purpose (server,desktop,kvm,xen)
- see what others configured having the above
- sent performance measures using special config options (slub,slab)
- see other benchmarks connected to hardware,purpose and special options
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The actual idea to which I refer is the idea of having a starting point for the kernel that is actually usable by as many people as possible with a web page that gives some amount of information about kernel options. While all those other options might be cool, and may actually find their way into the pages as I learn more, for now, things are as they are.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The actual idea of Gentoo is to have the most individual optimized personal release. I think your idea would fit better to other distributions. Why should I want to have the most general kernel fitting for most people?

I want a kernel-config.org helping me for my most individual kernel ...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The actual idea of Gentoo is to have the most individual optimized personal release. I think your idea would fit better to other distributions.


There is nothing in my pages, in my seeds, or my philosophy about the seed concept that says generic. The idea is to get the user up and running with a basic kernel. That will allow them to expand into the kernel they will eventually need. I encourage experimentation, and remind users over and over that this is only the beginning.

The Gentoo handbook install files come in as generic a form as possible. The magic of customization that is Gentoo occurs after the install, not at the same time as the install. Editing your /etc/make.conf and other files, followed by running emerge -aev world --keep-going customizes Gentoo to you and your system. Gentoo starts as generically as the kernel seed.

I suppose you could do emerge -aev world --keep-going under your boot CD in chroot session, but I prefer to get my Gentoo machines booting to their hard drives before I run a full recompile of my entire operating system. For some strange reason, I prefer compiling from a fully operational system as opposed to within a boot CD chroot environment.

You can always use genkernel to set up an all module setup. You can start with make defconfig, and configure your kernel from there. Or, you can use a kernel seed, and save a bit of time, as a make allmodconfig kernel takes a bit longer to compile than a seed-made kernel.

Nowhere is anyone told that using my idea is a must, or that it's the only way to get a functioning computer. That just doesn't happen.

There are others using many different distros that use my seed idea as well. I have traffic coming into my server from all corners of the world. Clearly, there is something in my idea that many find useful. It is for them that I continue to keep the site going.

I'm sorry that you find my concept not to your liking, but the number of users who have found it useful, and who tell me so is much much larger than the number of people who find fault with either the idea or myself.

I have a tendency to tune out those who demand that it be more that it is. It is what it is, and it will change and grow as time and my continued existence in life moves forward. I may make it all you want, or I may keep it simple and straightforward, as it is now. I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for it to become all you want if I were you. :P

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another weekend, a few more sources. I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.32-hardened-r86, 3.0.17-gentoo, and 3.0.17-tuxonice in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monday brings three new gentoo sources seeds, and one I missed earlier. I've just uploaded .configs for 3.0.17-gentoo-r1, 3.1.9-gentoo, 3.1.10-gentoo, and 3.2.1-gentoo-r1 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The solar storm doesn't seem to have had an effect on kernel sources. I've just uploaded .configs for 2.6.32-hardened-r87, 3.0.17-gentoo-r2, 3.1.10-gentoo-r1, 3.2.1-gentoo-r2, and 3.2.1-hardened in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for you work

Why turning off "Tickless System (Dynamic Ticks)" in your seeds ?
For me enabling this option boost compilation

For exemple
Without this option:
Code:
Sat Jan 14 14:10:47 2012 >>> dev-libs/boost-1.46.1-r1
       merge time: 10 minutes and 48 seconds.

Mon Jan 16 18:42:41 2012 >>> app-office/libreoffice-3.4.5.2
       merge time: 2 hours, 2 minutes and 52 seconds.

With Tickless enabled
Code:
Fri Jan 27 22:29:48 2012 >>> dev-libs/boost-1.46.1-r1
       merge time: 7 minutes and 47 seconds.

Sat Jan 21 23:51:02 2012 >>> app-office/libreoffice-3.4.5.2
       merge time: 1 hour, 35 minutes and 16 seconds.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone,

While not the fruits of recent sources, due to a day lost to pain over an abscessed tooth, some seeds got lost in the shuffle. I just uploaded .configs for 2.6.32.55, 3.0.17-tuxonice-r1, 3.0.18, and 3.2.2 in both x86 and x86_64 flavors. Enjoy!

sebB,

Upon searching, I've noted it turned off in all the seeds. I'll have to do some looking as to why that is. It may have been done for stability reasons, but I'll know more when I look back at the old settings backups.

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