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torchZ06
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

b0fh wrote:

But X won't go up with this mode, it says in Xorg.0.log:

Code:
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "1280x1024@96":
(WW) NVIDIA(0):   horizontal sync width (2184 - 1312 = 872) greater than 256


What's the problem/code]


b0fh

what util did you use to calculate that? if it was one of those online "calculators" i would be surprised if it worked at all. i never had any luck with any of them. i remember getting that error. if you look at the modelines that gtf generates they all have "-HSync +Vsync" on the end of the modeline to i'm guessing "normalize" or scale the values back into the proper range (if you do a search on vesa timing formulas you'll get the equation and see why you have to do that)

anyway here's what gtf says to use:
Code:
bash-2.05b$ gtf 1280 1024 96

  # 1280x1024 @ 96.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 103.87 kHz; pclk: 182.81 MHz
  Modeline "1280x1024_96.00"  182.81  1280 1376 1520 1760  1024 1025 1028 1082  -HSync +Vsync


good luck
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

help!!!!!!
neither the online "calculators" nor gtf seems would help me
i cant set my monitor refresh rate beyond 60hz
i am really confusing
here's a digest frome my Xorg.0.log
i'am a newbie and i just don't know what happens
my monitor is Samsung 763mb and my card is gforce4 mx 440
Code:
(II) NVIDIA(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 30.00-70.00 kHz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-150.00 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Clock range:  12.00 to 350.00 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range)
(WW) (1400x1050,Monitor0) mode clock 122MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (width too large for virtual size)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (width too large for virtual size)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (width too large for virtual size)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (width too large for virtual size)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1152x768" (width too large for virtual size)
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "700x525" (height 1050 is larger than
(WW) NVIDIA(0):      EDID-specified maximum 1024)
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "576x384":
(WW) NVIDIA(0):   horizontal sync start (589) not a multiple of 8
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "360x200":
(WW) NVIDIA(0):   horizontal sync start (378) not a multiple of 8
(**) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes for display device CRT-0:
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Mode "1024x768": 65.0 MHz, 48.5 kHz, 60.2 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "800x600": 56.3 MHz, 53.7 kHz, 85.1 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "832x624": 57.3 MHz, 49.7 kHz, 74.6 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "800x600": 49.5 MHz, 46.9 kHz, 75.0 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "800x600": 50.0 MHz, 48.1 kHz, 72.2 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "800x600": 40.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "800x600": 36.0 MHz, 35.2 kHz, 56.2 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "640x512": 54.0 MHz, 64.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "640x480": 36.0 MHz, 43.3 kHz, 85.0 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "640x480": 31.5 MHz, 37.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "640x480": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 72.8 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.0 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "640x480": 54.0 MHz, 60.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "720x400": 35.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.0 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "640x400": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.1 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "576x432": 54.0 MHz, 67.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "640x350": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.1 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "512x384": 47.2 MHz, 68.7 kHz, 85.0 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "512x384": 39.4 MHz, 60.1 kHz, 75.1 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "512x384": 37.5 MHz, 56.5 kHz, 70.1 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "512x384": 32.5 MHz, 48.4 kHz, 60.0 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "512x384": 22.4 MHz, 35.5 kHz, 86.9 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "416x312": 28.6 MHz, 49.7 kHz, 74.7 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "400x300": 28.1 MHz, 53.7 kHz, 85.3 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "400x300": 24.8 MHz, 46.9 kHz, 75.1 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "400x300": 25.0 MHz, 48.1 kHz, 72.2 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "400x300": 20.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "400x300": 18.0 MHz, 35.2 kHz, 56.3 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "320x240": 18.0 MHz, 43.3 kHz, 85.2 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "320x240": 15.8 MHz, 37.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "320x240": 15.8 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 72.8 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "320x240": 12.6 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.1 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "320x200": 15.8 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.3 Hz (D)
(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "320x175": 15.8 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.3 Hz (D)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1024 x 768
(**) NVIDIA(0): Display dimensions: (330, 250) mm
(**) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (78, 78)

here is a digest from xorg.conf
Code:
Section "Monitor"

   #DisplaySize     320   240   # mm
   DisplaySize   330 250 # mm
   Identifier   "Monitor0"
   VendorName   "SAM"
   ModelName    "SyncMaster"
   HorizSync    30.0 - 70.0
   VertRefresh  50.0 - 150.0
   Option       "DPMS"
   VertRefresh   85
   ModeLine "1024x768"     65.00   1024 1044 1180 1340    768  775 781  806 -hsync -vsync
#   Modeline "1024x768_85.00"  94.39  1024 1088 1200 1376  768 769 772 807  -HSync +Vsync

   
#   ModeLine "1024x768"   44.90   1024 1032 1208 1264 768 768 776 817 +hsync +vsync interlace
#   Modeline "1280x1024"  159.36  1280 1376 1512 1744  1024 1025 1028 1075  -HSync +Vsync

#   Modeline "1024x768@85i" 42.91 1024 1056 1216 1248 768 784 790 807
#   Modeline "1024x768"     42.91   1024 1048 1208 1296    768  772 778  807
   
EndSection


Section "Device"

        ### Available Driver options are:-
        ### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
        ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz"
        ### [arg]: arg optional
        #Option     "SWcursor"              # [<bool>]
        #Option     "HWcursor"              # [<bool>]
        #Option     "NoAccel"               # [<bool>]
        #Option     "ShowCache"             # [<bool>]
        #Option     "ShadowFB"              # [<bool>]
        #Option     "UseFBDev"              # [<bool>]
        #Option     "Rotate"                # [<str>]
        #Option     "VideoKey"              # <i>
        #Option     "FlatPanel"             # [<bool>]
        #Option     "FPDither"              # [<bool>]
        #Option     "CrtcNumber"            # <i>
   Identifier  "Card0"
   Driver      "nvidia"
   VideoRam    65536
   VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"
   BoardName   "NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]"
#   ChipSet     "GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X"
   BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
   Option       "EnablePageFlip" "true"
   Option       "AGPFastWrite" "true"
   Option       "AGPMode" "4"
   Option      "EnableDepthMoves" "true"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
   Identifier "Screen0"
   Device     "Card0"
   Monitor    "Monitor0"
   DefaultDepth 24

   SubSection "Display"
   Depth   24   
   modes   "1024x768" "800x600"
   ViewPort   0 0
   EndSubsection
EndSection

the commented and uncommented Modelines are generated by either online calculators or gft,but none works

Any idea or suggestion?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an ATI 9600 Mobility (r350/M10) with a TFT ( 1920x1200)
I can run on 1920x1200 and 1600x1200 with the following
modelines:
ModeLine "1920x1200" 279.34 1920 2000 2400 2560 1200 1202 1214 1240 # 88 Hz
ModeLine "1600x1200" 237.44 1600 1672 2032 2176 1200 1202 1214 1240 #88Hz

But when i try 800x600 it doesn't work. My cards has a clock range from 20-350 and the frequenties range are( found on the internet):
HorizSync 31.5 - 110
VertRefresh 28 - 90

This are the mode lines i tried:
ModeLine "800x600" 64.51 800 840 1040 1120 600 602 614 640 -HSync +Vsync
Modeline "800x600" 38.22 800 832 912 1024 600 601 604 622 -HSync +Vsync
ModeLine "800x600" 50.17 800 840 1040 1120 600 602 614 640 -HSync +Vsync

Can anyone think why this don't work ?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interresting - thanks :)

But what about laptop ? - in some cases, people do not get the required information...

...and the frequency should be 60Hz
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
But what about laptop ? - in some cases, people do not get the required information...


you'd be surprised what google will turn up if you look for stuff like "dot clock" "pixel clock" "max horizontal refresh" and the like.

one guy on this post or a similar one suggested leaving the horiz. refresh line commented out and for the vertical just specify what freq. you want. ie, put down say 85Hz and X will automatically pick the best resolution that it can drive at 85Hz.... on your laptop i don't know how it would react to 60Hz being specified, but you could always try gtf with the 3rd arg being 60....
Code:

ppk@sledgehammer ppk $ gtf 1024 768 60

  # 1024x768 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 47.70 kHz; pclk: 64.11 MHz
  Modeline "1024x768_60.00"  64.11  1024 1080 1184 1344  768 769 772 795  -HSync +Vsync
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