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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you should be able to go back to it. Don't lose the backup.

IMO though, as a 47-year-old skeptic of custom backup tools, I prefer more direct backups.

IMO the best approach is a zip of the VM directory. Then you can unzip it to a new location and attach it to the virtualization engine easily.

What I do is maintain a current "base" VM for every operating system. This has only the basic installation, ready to become anything at all. I keep it as a VM which is usually switched off, and before I copy it, I run the VM and update it. Then shut it down and copy/clone it, start my new VM and then shut down the original.

Keeping the original running during initial boot forces the clone to have a new IP address, which should happen always anyway but I've been disappointed in the past. DHCP allows the host to request an IP address, and DHCP servers tend to honor that if something isn't already using it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1clue wrote:
Congratulations!

Kernel is step 7, you have a couple pages to go before you get there.

I don't think it says "pappy" in there. Pappy is a guy on the forum. He does kernels that work. It might be just my opinion, but I'm guessing he's helped about 72% of all Gentoo users learn how to compile their kernels, one-on-one. People who are smarter than me might have done it on their own. He certainly helped me out even though I thought I knew what I was doing.

Between Neddy and Pappy, I don't think Gentoo would be nearly as much fun without them as it is with them. They know stuff the rest of us don't know, and if you talk nicely to them they might help you.


Thank you so much for those kind words.

Here of late, I've been obsessing about my personal life, my job, car, and pretty much everything BUT Gentoo. I need to get back to being a bit more visible. I do love to help the n00b, the 0ld-timer, or anyone who needs my help.

Here's to another five years of kernel seeds.

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PS. Thanks to NeddySeagoon for pointing this post out to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy Birthday (albeit a bit belated) gogobebe2.
Looks like you got a working Gentoo as a present :D.

Trying out desktop environments you might want to check out enlightenment17. There's an overlay for it.
It's really a nice desktop + installing it will make you a bit familiar with overlays.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clad in Sky wrote:
Happy Birthday (albeit a bit belated) gogobebe2.
Looks like you got a working Gentoo as a present :D.

Trying out desktop environments you might want to check out enlightenment17. There's an overlay for it.
It's really a nice desktop + installing it will make you a bit familiar with overlays.


Don't scare the OP with overlays yet :lol: and yes the OP reminds me of me getting a "technology gift" for my own birthday. Soo much fun...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clad in Sky wrote:
Happy Birthday (albeit a bit belated) gogobebe2.
Looks like you got a working Gentoo as a present :D.

Trying out desktop environments you might want to check out enlightenment17. There's an overlay for it.
It's really a nice desktop + installing it will make you a bit familiar with overlays.

ty, I'll check it out.
This is my checklist to have a look at an decide which I like better:



  1. enlightenment17
  2. GNOME
  3. Xfce
  4. KDE


I've got all the documents open and ready for them ^_^
Also I've neem reading the documentation on portage (up to chapter 2).


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These Lists are "wrapped" in URL BBCode. These links will give you a General Overview :idea:
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol pretty colours!!!:O
http://s17.postimg.org/hutywngzi/oooo_pretty_colours_XD.jpg
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wondering and looking at things, what do you guys think about this:
http://www.garyshood.com/freebsdvsgentoo/
Also what do you think about FreeBSD?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gogobebe2 wrote:
Just wondering and looking at things, what do you guys think about this:
http://www.garyshood.com/freebsdvsgentoo/
Also what do you think about FreeBSD?


Be careful what you read, that article is from 2007...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure you get current info, but FreeBSD is good stuff, nice and solid. I recommend that once you get the hang of Gentoo and whatever else, you go see what FreeBSD is about.

In the end a lot of the software is the same. The difference between Linux and FreeBSD is in the kernel and a few core utilities. To a full-fledged nerd like you find on this forum, that difference is huge, but to a typical non-admin of a system, they probably look very similar.

They're a completely different codebase, and based on a different branch of Unix. Linux is a complete rewrite based on System V, FreeBSD came from actual BSD code which was open sourced. System V and BSD is either the oldest split or one of the oldest splits in UNIX. I think it was the oldest, but I'm a bit blurry on that.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible to use a second kernel with genkernel on the system too?
But I would have to make a new grub.conf then... mmmm...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gogobebe2 wrote:
Is it possible to use a second kernel with genkernel on the system too?
But I would have to make a new grub.conf then... mmmm...

Yes, I presently have 3. You just have to add entries to your existing grub.conf and then you can select which one to boot from when you power up your machine.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gogobebe2 wrote:
Is it possible to use a second kernel with genkernel on the system too?
But I would have to make a new grub.conf then... mmmm...


See this: Masked Kernel Versions.

Follow the directions in my reply, then do the following:
Code:
eselect kernel list
eselect kernel set <new slotted version>
genkernel all


eselect kernel updates the symlink of /usr/src/linux :)

Re: grub.conf :arrow: Multiple Kernel Entries can go in one file.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eyoung100 wrote:
gogobebe2 wrote:
Is it possible to use a second kernel with genkernel on the system too?
But I would have to make a new grub.conf then... mmmm...


See this: Masked Kernel Versions.

Follow the directions in my reply, then do the following:
Code:
eselect kernel list
eselect kernel set <new slotted version>
genkernel all


eselect kernel updates the symlink of /usr/src/linux :)

Re: grub.conf :arrow: Multiple Kernel Entries can go in one file.

Awesome! Thanks! :)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm installing gnome and it said I had to edit the use flag.
this is what the use flag looked like when it wasn't edited:
Code:
USE="bindist mmx sse sse2"
Is it safe to do:
Code:
USE="-qt4 -kde X dbus gtk gnome bindist mmx sse sse2"
?

This is the document I am doing it off:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gnome-config.xml
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try:
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eselect profile list
eselect profile set <choose gnome profile>


That should set the flags you referred to.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gogobebe2,

USE flags are set in a hierarchial manner.

The top level are the USE settings in your profile. The devs maintain these.
The profile settings are changed by USE in make.conf. This is where you fine tune USE flags that can affect every package on your system
You can also set per package USE flags in /etc/portage/package.use Read
Code:
man portage


For completeness
Code:
USE="flag1 -flag2" emerge foo
works too but portage does not store command line USE flags, so you won't like what happens next.
In short, its a bad idea to use command line USE flags.

Homework: run
Code:
emerge --info
and look at the USE settings.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

:arrow: Raises Hand, I know why it's homework, Can I spill the beans :?:

Hint: It has to do with my previous post regarding setting your profile. You said you knew a little bit of programming, so besides Neddy's Homework, here's some from me: Tell me what inheritance is in terms of a programming language :?: Without Google :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i use desktop profile as i use xfce4, gnome2 is good sauce, but gnome3 is threatening taking that away. you're using gnome3 on your debian under layer machine. gnome2 makes quite a bit more sense.

id go with gnome2 and install xfce4 too to get a taste of both.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did
Code:
emerge gnome
and:
Code:
Use --autounmask-write to write changes to config files (honoring
CONFIG_PROTECT). Carefully examine the list of proposed changes,
paying special attention to mask or keyword changes that may expose
experimental or unstable packages.


Do I just repeat it with:
Code:
emerge --autounmask-write gnome

now?

AND @eyoung100, I think inheritance is used with classes (I remember reading something about that in the python document) am I right?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gogobebe2,

Yes and no. You need to look at the list of proposed changes and decide if they are a good thing or not.

--autounmask-write won't do anythig bad by itself, so that step is harmless. It will write a set of files for you to use with etc-update.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gogobebe2 wrote:
I did
Code:
emerge gnome
and:
Code:
Use --autounmask-write to write changes to config files (honoring
CONFIG_PROTECT). Carefully examine the list of proposed changes,
paying special attention to mask or keyword changes that may expose
experimental or unstable packages.


Do I just repeat it with:
Code:
emerge --autounmask-write gnome

now?

AND @eyoung100, I think inheritance is used with classes (I remember reading something about that in the python document) am I right?


You are correct... Now:
Code:
ls /usr/portage/profiles/<arch>/linux/13.0/desktop/gnome
nano -w /usr/portage/profiles/<arch>/linux/13.0/desktop/gnome/parent


I want you to follow the "class structure" and tell me the combined USE Flags you end up with for selecting gnome as your profile :?:

I'll provide the answer after you give me a guess. Needless to say all the USE Flags inherit from the profile.

ANSWER:
Code:
USE="a52 aac acpi alsa bluetooth branding cairo cdda cdr consolekit cups dbus dri dts dvd dvdr emboss encode exif fam firefox flac gif gpm gtk jpeg lcms ldap libnotify mad mng mp3 mp4 mpeg ogg opengl pango pdf png policykit ppds qt3support qt4 sdl spell startup-notification svg tiff truetype vorbis udev udisks unicode upower usb wxwidgets X xcb x264 xml xv xvid colord eds evo gnome gnome-keyring gnome-online-accounts gstreamer introspection libsecret nautilus pulseaudio socialweb"

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
gogobebe2,

Yes and no. You need to look at the list of proposed changes and decide if they are a good thing or not.

--autounmask-write won't do anythig bad by itself, so that step is harmless. It will write a set of files for you to use with etc-update.

So what should I do?
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gogobebe2 wrote:
NeddySeagoon wrote:
gogobebe2,

Yes and no. You need to look at the list of proposed changes and decide if they are a good thing or not.

--autounmask-write won't do anythig bad by itself, so that step is harmless. It will write a set of files for you to use with etc-update.

So what should I do?


If you want to accept the changes, type:
Code:
etc-update

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I've done so far:

[img]http://s23.postimg.org/5csrb1etj/1st_thing.png[/img]

[img]http://s23.postimg.org/xus0b67uv/2nd.png[/img]

[img]http://s23.postimg.org/fdxlkcrwn/3rd.png[/img]

[img]http://s23.postimg.org/9xexpyyiv/4th.png[/img]

[img]http://s23.postimg.org/7jwzyyk3r/5th.png[/img]

[img]http://s23.postimg.org/uwv1hh07b/6th.png[/img]

[img]http://s23.postimg.org/45etitop3/7th.png[/img]

I don't know what I'm doing lol and it says only do that if u know what u are doing... sooo..?
I think the right thing to type now is -3, but just checking..
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