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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:41 pm    Post subject: fresh install, systemd, gnome 3.8 Reply with quote

is it possible to do a fresh install with systemd support and gnome 3.8? or do i need to install normally then migrate to systemd/gnome 3.8?

i'm using
rEFInd to boot, UFEI bios, partitioning is done (using systemrescue liveusb), chrooted, and now i'm at kernel config.

in what order do i proceed from here? i'm having trouble finding coherent documentation for a fresh install.

any links to documentation or suggestions appreciated.

i can post any relevant information necessary.

thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To start from scratch using a full blown installation
you just
- emerge -c <everything> but the toolchain.
- Then you look at what you have done to /etc, then
- emerge @system
and your fresh install is ready!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See Section 6.c of the Gentoo Handbook
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulenrich wrote:
you just
- emerge -c <everything> but the toolchain.
- Then you look at what you have done to /etc, then
- emerge @system
and your fresh install is ready!


As a matter of principle never use this aproach :!: I've seen too many people unmerge their compiler and python by mistake...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eyoung100 wrote:
See Section 6.c of the Gentoo Handbook


That's what I followed, but it passes you off to a systemd page that seems specific to an upgrade/migration. Especially this part:

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sys-apps/systemd and sys-apps/dbus have a circular dependency which necessitates a 2-stage installation.
Install sys-apps/dbus with USE="-systemd". This is probably already done if you have a working desktop environment.
Enable the systemd USE flag globally (make.conf) and install sys-apps/systemd. This may also be accomplished by a world update.
The consolekit use flag should also be disabled to prevent conflicts with the systemd-logind service.


I don't even think consolekit or dbus is installed at this point...so what applies?

I'm still configuring my kernel...and I've enabled all the recommended options, but I don't see
Gentoo Linux->
Support for init systems, system and service managers
[ ] systemd
as recommended anywhere. do I need to set that option?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the page says does apply:
Install dbus with USE="-systemd", then put "systemd -consolekit" into the useflags of your make.conf and emerge systemd.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clad in Sky wrote:
What the page says does apply:
Install dbus with USE="-systemd", then put "systemd -consolekit" into the useflags of your make.conf and emerge systemd.


Consolekit is installed in a stage 3 tarball IIRC
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clad in Sky wrote:
What the page says does apply:
Install dbus with USE="-systemd", then put "systemd -consolekit" into the useflags of your make.conf and emerge systemd.


thanks...i'll try that. l et me build this kernel and see if i can boot it successfully with rEFInd (still chrooted right now) and then i'll go from there with those instructions.

edit: i take that back. i'm going to have to have systemd properly configure before i reboot, right?

so after kernel make...install dbus -systemd, then install systemd -consolekit +systemd in use flags? do i need to remove consolekit and/or anything else (openrc)?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aim nano wrote:

I'm still configuring my kernel...and I've enabled all the recommended options, but I don't see
Gentoo Linux->
Support for init systems, system and service managers
[ ] systemd
as recommended anywhere. do I need to set that option?


This is the very first option under Gentoo ---->
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eyoung100 wrote:
aim nano wrote:

I'm still configuring my kernel...and I've enabled all the recommended options, but I don't see
Gentoo Linux->
Support for init systems, system and service managers
[ ] systemd
as recommended anywhere. do I need to set that option?


This is the very first option under Gentoo ---->


I know. What I meant was that none of the guides suggest setting that option. Should I set it?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put -consolekit and systemd in USE flags and got circular dependencies with policykit too. So I added -policykit. Here goes.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should set it as the wiki suggests.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eyoung100 wrote:
You should set it as the wiki suggests.


Then, as it is not suggested in the wiki, I will not set it. I find it interesting though, that the kernel option for systemd goes un-set in a system where systemd is being used.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aim nano wrote:
eyoung100 wrote:
You should set it as the wiki suggests.


Then, as it is not suggested in the wiki, I will not set it. I find it interesting though, that the kernel option for systemd goes un-set in a system where systemd is being used.


Gentoo Wiki:Systemd - Kernel Settings

Setting init system to systemd under Gentoo -----> sets all the options described above
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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aim nano wrote:
eyoung100 wrote:
You should set it as the wiki suggests.


Then, as it is not suggested in the wiki, I will not set it. I find it interesting though, that the kernel option for systemd goes un-set in a system where systemd is being used.


Gentoo Wiki:Systemd - Kernel Settings

Setting init system to systemd under Gentoo -----> sets all the options described above


Thanks for the explanation. That's EXACTLY what I wanted to know. Genius!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You still need to follow Clad in the Sky's advice about the USE Flags, not doing so results in a nasty blocker between virtual/udev(sys-fs/udev) and sys-fs/systemd

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did that. Systemd installed ok and my system boots. I didn't have networking though because firmware failed to load. I re-chrooted and installed linux-firmware. Now I'm about to see if i can get networkmanager going, then i'll proceed to X and gnome.

Thanks for helping guys.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I've got a full blown Gnome 3.8 system running. The only problem I'm having is that my touchpad isn't working. I think evdev is getting confused by my touchscreen being there and is perhaps defaulting to it. I'm not really sure...I've never had a problem with synaptics before. Making sure I've got the proper kernel configuration and adding INPUT_DEVICES="evdev synaptics" has always worked just fine.
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