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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:49 pm    Post subject: Who wait for Gentoo 2014 Live DVD ??? Reply with quote

If sommebody knows when release should be, please let us know!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody knows then will be release of Gentoo Live DVD ??? And even Gentoo developers team keeps secrets!?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

As you know, Gentoo is a rolling release. LiveDVD iso's are updated almost each day.
So, there is no "2014 Live DVD" or "2015 LiveDVD", but a "Live DVD based on today's snapshot, with latest profile". Current profile is 13.0.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right: the LiveDVDs are very well outdated
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml

I tought there were automatically generated, as the CDs, but it does not seem the case.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@tiggerjr
if you are willing to look al little aside the gento way,
you migth find your gentooisch favour at sabayon - a gentoo based binary distribution with live dvds - release 14.01 came out 20.dez.2014 and has rolling binary updates...

if you want to play with the new desktops or systemd this is definitely of value.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I using Gentoo Live DVD for emergency restore for my notebook, workstation and even for server system. Kernel version 3.3.0-gentoo-r1 on Live DVD 2012 hasn't recent drivers.

I just wanted to use btrfs but kernel on Live DVD 2012 telling me that btrfs is experimental. For testing and then for production purpose.
I tried to use End of the World edition but kernel is still old for my needs.

So i need new Gentoo Live DVD (2014) with recent kernel version and other soft. And docache opinion! This option are lost in Gentoo 2012.1 Live DVD and i didn't find even on End of the World edition.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you just need a recent live-cd/dvd for administration purposes I (and a lot of others here) can highly recommend SystemRescueCD
I use it too for btrfs root installations (although I think the current gentoo cd's do it too by now)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank for tip i used SystemRescueCD for emergency restore, but if i need to use GTK or Qt based restoration tools like gparted or browser for search and download somme tools, i can only use parted or lynx with this CD.

Better usage Gentoo Live DVD for this.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you type "startx" after booting the SystemRescueCD it will give you a full xfce desktop with all those needed system tools like gparted :)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+100000 for SystemRescueCD.
I have a USB stick in my pocket with it for years and it really rocks !
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for the record, you can use $ANY_RANDOM_LIVECD_THAT_YOU_PREFER to either rescue or install Gentoo.

It doesn't need to be a Gentoo-branded LiveCD at all. That is, as long as its kernel and glibc are reasonably up to date so you can chroot (if you need to, anyway).

So, if you want you could use the gparted livecd, or mint, or puppy, slax... whatever.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i92guboj wrote:
Just for the record, you can use $ANY_RANDOM_LIVECD_THAT_YOU_PREFER to either rescue or install Gentoo.

It doesn't need to be a Gentoo-branded LiveCD at all. That is, as long as its kernel and glibc are reasonably up to date so you can chroot (if you need to, anyway).

So, if you want you could use the gparted livecd, or mint, or puppy, slax... whatever.


Please tell us that you doesn't want to do Live DVD and close that theme.

I just wanted to ask somme information about live DVD and Gentoo developers team says me that i doesn't need Gentoo Live DVD (i should use puppy, mint, slax)!? thanks for a tips,

you better know what i need...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i92guboj wrote:
Just for the record, you can use $ANY_RANDOM_LIVECD_THAT_YOU_PREFER to either rescue or install Gentoo.

It doesn't need to be a Gentoo-branded LiveCD at all. That is, as long as its kernel and glibc are reasonably up to date so you can chroot (if you need to, anyway).

So, if you want you could use the gparted livecd, or mint, or puppy, slax... whatever.


Please tell us that you doesn't want to do Live DVD and close that theme.

I just wanted to ask somme information about live DVD and Gentoo developers team says me that i doesn't need Gentoo Live DVD (i should use puppy, mint, slax)!? thanks for a tips,

you better know what i need...


First, I am not the one to complain about lack of live media. I just help in moderating the fora.

Second, volunteers who do the work probably won't like YOU telling them where they should spend their free time.

Third, I was just trying to give you a viable way to scratch your itch.

There's lack of manpower here, so you are welcome to become a developer and aid Gentoo on it's mission to save the world. Yelling here that there are not attending your petition for an updated livecd won't probably yield any positive result.

I don't know what do you need. And I don't pretend to. You asked, and I tried to offer the best answer I could. Just like in the case of the developers that are in charge of the live media, no ones paying me to give support in this forum.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TigerJr,

afaik the last dvd releases were done by likewoha. As he isn't even an official gentoo dev, there is obviously no conspiracy! :wink:
However, if you look at his forum-profile you'll see that he wasn't active the last few months and we can all just hope that he is still doing fine!
I also liked the dvds, but they are not essential for gentoo. It's certainly cool if someone steps up and does the work, but it's certainly not a showstopper if that doesn't happen.

As suggested from others here, the systemrescuecd has all the tools one will need to do system recovery (it also knows the docache option and comes with X).... If you have special demands, you're always free to roll your own live-image or remaster something or just ask there, if they could probably include your requirements.

This has nothing to do that *WE* (speaking as a dev myself) know what you want or need - That would certainly be against the spirit of gentoo!
But the things you've mentioned so far that you need are covered by the suggested alternatives. So please read up on them before getting rude.

HTH, Cheers
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for the record:

If you are using ZFS on your system, the Funtoo team made a System Rescue CD with ZFS already included.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nativemad wrote:
TigerJr,

afaik the last dvd releases were done by likewoha. As he isn't even an official gentoo dev, there is obviously no conspiracy! :wink:


No, no, it just means that there's a _very_ _cunning_ conspiracy!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn...
Where are the Moderators? Could someone please take the appropriate action here?

Will, ymmd! :lol:
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You giving me tips that i doesn't need. I asked one question and no one give me answer on it.

Only off topic philosophy and discussion of the problems that you are didn't paid for your time and for your help, lack of manpower, etc

it is a weight on my mind.

nativemad wrote:
TigerJr,

afaik the last dvd releases were done by likewoha. As he isn't even an official gentoo dev, there is obviously no conspiracy! :wink:
However, if you look at his forum-profile you'll see that he wasn't active the last few months and we can all just hope that he is still doing fine!
I also liked the dvds, but they are not essential for gentoo. It's certainly cool if someone steps up and does the work, but it's certainly not a showstopper if that doesn't happen.

As suggested from others here, the systemrescuecd has all the tools one will need to do system recovery (it also knows the docache option and comes with X).... If you have special demands, you're always free to roll your own live-image or remaster something or just ask there, if they could probably include your requirements.

This has nothing to do that *WE* (speaking as a dev myself) know what you want or need - That would certainly be against the spirit of gentoo!
But the things you've mentioned so far that you need are covered by the suggested alternatives. So please read up on them before getting rude.

HTH, Cheers


Thx for details! As user i didn't like that the best Live DVD are not essential for you.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i92guboj wrote:
Just for the record, you can use $ANY_RANDOM_LIVECD_THAT_YOU_PREFER to either rescue or install Gentoo.

It doesn't need to be a Gentoo-branded LiveCD at all. That is, as long as its kernel and glibc are reasonably up to date so you can chroot (if you need to, anyway).

So, if you want you could use the gparted livecd, or mint, or puppy, slax... whatever.


what this dude says... i used ubuntu, now im on to using debian xfce4 live media. i do wifi only installs and im lazy and unetbootin the images to usb sticks. sysrecuecd doesnt like unetbootin to usb drives.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

666threesixes666 wrote:
sysrecuecd doesnt like unetbootin to usb drives.

It's not difficult to create a bootable USB pen drive of SystemRescueCd, though:

http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_How_to_install_SystemRescueCd_on_an_USB-stick

Code:
# mkdir -p /tmp/cdrom
# mount -o loop,exec /path/to/systemrescuecd-x86-x.y.z.iso /tmp/cdrom
# # Insert pen drive now. Do not mount it (unmount it if it automounts).
# cd /tmp/cdrom
# bash ./usb_inst.sh
# cd ~
# umount /tmp/cdrom

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:

dd if=path/to/systemrescuecd-x86-x.y.z.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1024


but this is off topic...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok TigerJr, I'll try it again...

Short answer:
Apparently NOBODY here seems to miss the DVD really.

Long answer:
There are certainly a few people who would be happy about a new release (including myself). But there are reasons why it's not done or a priority.
-Everything was compiled from the testing branch, which could rise technical difficulties.
-You can easily start a flamewar by just choosing the wrong package nowadays to support a certain DE. <-no names here as I don't want to start the fire :wink:
-The one who did it in the past isn't around right now.
-There are plenty of alternatives around that are well established and have good support.
It's quite easy to build something like the livedvd for yourself, but it's another beast if you wan't to make everyone happy with it.

If you could tell us WHY you are so eagerly insist on the livedvd, we could probably point you to a proper alternative or could get motivated enough to do one.
Or do you like to work and take all the blame for no apparent reason?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is getting nonsense.

So, the facts:

  • you want a live media branded by Gentoo, but the live media that there's available doesn't fit you.
  • the only choice is to use some other live media, but you don't want that.


So, choice A can't possibly work, and you don't want choice B. There's no choice C. That pretty much means you can't install Gentoo. I am not sure what would you consider a valid answer. In any case, I am closing this because there's no point in continuing with this discussion. All that could be said has been said, there's really no other option, so, make your choice. Either use the official media or any livecd you like. There's really nothing more to it and there's no point in letting the debate go on for any longer.

Note that this is a support forum, so, you are supposed to be asking for support here, and you are also supposed to be kindly accepting the help people give to you or (also kindly and silently) discarding the bits of info that you don't need.

If you just want to express that you are not in agreement with the current situation of Gentoo, or you have any idea to improve it or -even better- you are considering joining to help and put some work into it instead of just demanding something you haven't the right to demand, then you can go to Gentoo Chat

If you just want to vent out, rant, or write some epic poetry, then there's Off the wall for that.

Feel free to open a new thread for that in any of these forums, and, of course, feel also free to ask any more support question around here. But, as said, support forums are only for support. Each one contributes in the way s/he feel is due. No one can know beforehand what would you consider a legit advice, and what you would consider a crappy one.

And, if you want a word of advise which is also valid in day to day life: people usually don't like being told that the help they offer you for free (and I am not talking about money now) is crap.

If someone feels there's a need to add something, poke me privately about re-opening this. But for all I can tell, we are just iterating over the same thing again and again.
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