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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:20 am    Post subject: Getting internet before downloading anything starts. Reply with quote

I am aware that this same post has probably been posted here ~100 times, but I am in a unique situation here and I am very confused as to what to do.I just built myself a new computer and I wish to install Gentoo, I've been a user for years and I've never had a problem like this. The motherboard I have for this doesn't have any way to connect to wireless internet, only wired. I use wireless internet. I just tried to get a wireless internet adapter and it didn't do anything, because it only has windows drivers. What wireless internet adapter should I get? Am I going at this completely the wrong way? If so, what should I do?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently had a similar situation. You didn't say exactly what wireless adapter you got. If you tell us there might be someone who can tell you how to get it working.

Zero, you could use a wired connection just for the install.

First, since you already have a wifi card try and make it work. The System Rescue CD is a much better install media and includes much better hardware support. First you should try using it. Next, you can use any live CD that includes chroot to install Gentoo. From there you should be able to install the appropriate driver.

Second, since you are already a Gentoo user you can use sneakernet and install networkless. Just use emerge --fetchonly @system to collect all the sources you will need and then copy /usr/portage/distfiles to your new computer. Or you could simply make a stage4 tarball if you like your current system.

Third, if you really need to purchase a new wifi adapter I would get an atheros one that uses the ath9k driver. They have always been easy to use. Broadcom is usable, but it is a real hassle. Ralink is extremely unpredictable, so I would avoid them.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Doctor wrote:
I recently had a similar situation. You didn't say exactly what wireless adapter you got. If you tell us there might be someone who can tell you how to get it working.

Great idea, it's a Netgear a6200

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Zero, you could use a wired connection just for the install.

Can't do that

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First, since you already have a wifi card try and make it work. The System Rescue CD is a much better install media and includes much better hardware support. First you should try using it. Next, you can use any live CD that includes chroot to install Gentoo. From there you should be able to install the appropriate driver.

I cannot find Linux drivers for it anywhere

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Second, since you are already a Gentoo user you can use sneakernet and install networkless. Just use emerge --fetchonly @system to collect all the sources you will need and then copy /usr/portage/distfiles to your new computer. Or you could simply make a stage4 tarball if you like your current system.

I am using this for a different purpose than desktop usage so I shouldn't but don't want to get off topic so don't ask.

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Third, if you really need to purchase a new wifi adapter I would get an atheros one that uses the ath9k driver. They have always been easy to use. Broadcom is usable, but it is a real hassle. Ralink is extremely unpredictable, so I would avoid them.

Alright, but if there is a way to get this a6200 going I'd be glad.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, it looks like you where right about the Netgear a6200 not having a linux driver. I did find a few threads mentioning that NDISwrapper works, but that is a straight up hack.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unfortunately, it looks like you where right about the Netgear a6200 not having a linux driver. I did find a few threads mentioning that NDISwrapper works, but that is a straight up hack.

I might just return this and get a new one. Is there anything more specific than the aetheros one that I should look out for?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure many people will chime in with their experiences, however in my experience everything with an Atheros chip set just worked with no need of extra firmware or hassle. I have had them on at least 3 of my computers and they where all trouble free. I don't think you can go wrong with them. It seems they are one of the companies that truly values Linux support.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm sure many people will chime in with their experiences, however in my experience everything with an Atheros chip set just worked with no need of extra firmware or hassle. I have had them on at least 3 of my computers and they where all trouble free. I don't think you can go wrong with them. It seems they are one of the companies that truly values Linux support.

Alright I'll get one, so it will just work out the box when I have it plugged in before installing gentoo?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should. The catch 22 here is the default install CD has terrible wireless support. The system rescue CD I linked to earlier is generally a much better media since it has good hardware support and networkmanager to simplify connecting to an encrypted access point.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It should. The catch 22 here is the default install CD has terrible wireless support. The system rescue CD I linked to earlier is generally a much better media since it has good hardware support and networkmanager to simplify connecting to an encrypted access point.

I've never even used system rescue CD. How exactly does that work? Is there an installer in it or what?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it is a live CD that is intended to be used to rescue systems that have had some type of failure and is Gentoo based. Since the instillation of Gentoo doesn't rely on any scripts or special programs on the install media any one can be used. This makes the system rescue CD identical to the min install CD the handbook points to by default in terms of function. The differences are mainly in hardware support and a working X environment to install from. There is no changes required to the handbook.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, it is a live CD that is intended to be used to rescue systems that have had some type of failure and is Gentoo based. Since the instillation of Gentoo doesn't rely on any scripts or special programs on the install media any one can be used. This makes the system rescue CD identical to the min install CD the handbook points to by default in terms of function. The differences are mainly in hardware support and a working X environment to install from. There is no changes required to the handbook.

Well I think I prefer a text-based installer and choosing my own X environment. But thanks anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won't choose anything. Nothing from the CD is used in your final install. The tools on the CD are simply an extra convenience.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SystemRescue CD is used in exactly the same way as the Gentoo install CD; the difference is that
it can boot both 32 and 64-bit kernels, and has much, much better wireless support.

I often install via sneakernet, which is pretty straightforward, but a working network connection will
certainly make things easier.

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